Rod Liddle

Left-handed people are stupid (and everyone who worries about immigration is a bigot)

The truth about all those utterly bogus statistics you see in the newspapers

6 December 2014

9:00 AM

6 December 2014

9:00 AM

Thoroughly cheering news emerged this week that left-handed people are likely to earn between 10 and 12 per cent less than their right-handed colleagues. (So 11 per cent less, then). Good. I have never cared for left-handed people, considering them arrogant and possessed of unsavoury personal habits — and were I an employer I would not give jobs to any of them. I would let them moulder on benefits, and laugh and point as I passed them waiting at the bus stop on their way to the dole office. Awful people. The most famous left-handers from history were Gerald Ford, Fidel Castro, the spoon-bending self-publicist Uri Geller and the controversially sexist Victorian Jack the Ripper. I think that tells you all you need to know.

This latest survey was carried out at Harvard University and suggested that one of the reasons left-handers do badly is that they are thick — or slower at accomplishing cognitive tasks, as the researchers put it. I knew this all along, but it is heartening to have my suspicions verified by a brilliant piece of research at one of the world’s most prestigious learning institutes. Even if, a few years ago, I read a different piece of research from Imperial College London and Bristol University which suggested that these epicene, cack-handed bastards actually earn 5 per cent more than their right-handed fellow humans. This is, it was argued, because they are perceived as being ‘more creative’ and also have a larger corpus callosum — the large white-matter part of the brain which connects the two cerebral hemispheres via the conduit of between 200 and 250 million contralateral axonal projections. ‘That’s as maybe,’ I thought, reading the study back then, ‘but they’re still scum in my book.’


It might occur to you, bearing these two studies in mind, that there is probably no difference whatsoever between the earning capacities of left- and right-handed people and that the two conflicting results are a consequence of false correlations arising from the samples chosen. You might even go on to hazard that almost all of the statistics which you see in your daily newspapers are utterly bogus and full of such false correlations, such as the ones that tell you that if people had homes in Torquay, rather than Tower Hamlets, they would live longer and healthier lives. Wealth, you might think to yourself, would be the real factor behind those figures, rather than geographical location. Also, another recent study — from Durham University — which posited that areas which had a high proportion of immigrants tended to be more pro-immigrant than areas which did not. Um, hang on, you might have muttered… isn’t that because the areas which had a high proportion of immigrants also had a high proportion of immigrants answering your fatuous, politically loaded survey? Immigrants are likely to be pro-immigrant, as a rule. Also, areas with a low number of immigrants might well be full of people who have got the hell out of areas which have a high number of immigrants. But no, according to the idiotic researchers, it was all down to the fact that in extremely multicultural areas people were forced to ‘reconsider their stereotypes and preconceptions’. I think that this was the most stupid survey I have seen lately, and there have been a few.

And then there are the latest immigration statistics. The headline figure focused on the net gain to the population of 260,000 immigrants, and how this rather large figure tended to undermine the government’s supposed determination to cut the flow into this country to below 100,000. Instead, we were told, things have got much, much, worse. Well, yes, indeed. But even this terrifying figure is hugely understating the case. The gross figure of people coming to live here from abroad was 583,000; it is that yearly influx which is irrevocably changing the nature of the country. Because we have to be honest about this — the people who are leaving this country to work abroad and the people who come into this country to work, or not to work, are not quite the same people, are they? It is not a like-for-like swap, as the headlines sort of imply. For a start, those who are leaving tend to speak English as a first language, which is not true of the overwhelming majority of those who are coming in. And those leaving here tend to be higher paid, better skilled and better educated than the people who arrive. This is especially true of EU migration to the UK, where we have welcomed largely low-skilled hard-working immigrants from what we used to call Eastern Europe. But it is true of the non-EU migrants too.

It has to be said that a proportion of both EU and non-EU migrants to the country are students at our universities or places which these days call themselves universities, and that this is lucrative for the country as a whole and for these eminent learning establishments. However, we are attracting substantially fewer overseas students than we did five or six years ago, perhaps 35 per cent fewer. So at a time when immigration is hitting record levels, the numbers of those coming to study are reducing sharply. It may be that a majority of those coming in who tell us they are students are not actually students at all, but bogus students, who wish to do something very different once they arrive. Probably all left-handers, too. And in terms of population growth, it is worth noting that it is the children of immigrants who are responsible for 85 per cent of our rising birth rate.

I mention all this because there is a bit of an outcry over the plan to expand the Oxfordshire town of Bicester to the size of something like Mexico City in order to provide housing for our growing population. You think the Bicester plan is bad? The think-tank Migrationwatch suggest we will need ten new cities the size of Birmingham in the next 25 years. No wonder the more affluent are getting out.

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  • sarahsmith232

    Liddle dearie, could you post a link to the Durham Uni’ thing, just had a quick shiftie about the internet using some obvious key words and nothing was coming up.
    I’m presuming this is what so many have been quoting from over the last year or so. For me, if there ever was ever any better evidence of how insular, ignorant and small minded the London media/politicians have become then you couldn’t get a better e.g than their response to this. The researchers findings show white people in white areas are hostile, this then would require some explanation. There are so many different factors to look at, but of course, for a person to able to consider all the different factors at play they first of all would need to be aware of them. Good luck trying to find one of our ‘elites’ that has the first clue.
    So how is it they instead go about filling in their blanks? Of course, via the same route that that Thornberry did upon witnessing evidence of savage life while in Ukipland. A person could wonder at whether the fact that Globalisation means nobody works in the communities they grew up in any more, so everyone is shifting like never before. Muslims move to be around their own, are any of these ‘elites’ even aware of the ways in which this is effecting muslim communities? First borns that can’t be bothered to be around finger wagging Bangladeshi’s and jumped up idiot teenage boys ship out of Tower Hamlets to be around their own in Essex, their own being other first borns that can’t be bothered with the myther in a place like TH. Welfare dependent, jumped up 20something, raging idiot muslims think that place is a paradise, so all pile in. Creates an extreme, with the inevitable political fall out.
    Same deal with white areas, did the researchers bother to ask how many had moved their from somewhere else? Course not, might produce a spanner in the works result. In affluent Lancashire there are a number of completely white areas, all bunched up together and v.nice they are to. I’ll bet there’s no more than about 10% of people living there grew up in them. Everyone is all of an ilk, all the same kind of people, affluent Lancashire types that have moved to be around their own. Again, creates an extreme. But they’d only have to spit and they’ll hit Blackburn/Bolton/Burnley/other ‘greatly enriched’ towns to witness the difference. The London commentators have no idea about any of this, they seem to think they’re having zero contact.
    None of these factors even so much as enter their little heads when commenting on this. It’s such simple minded comments ‘they are all whites, they’re only around whites, they’re not having any contact with multiculturalism’. Oh, they’re all having contact all right, and it’s the reason why they’ve all moved away and to be around their own. They’re all such air heads, they’re constantly doing their ‘globalisation is the cause of this’ meaning – ‘the thick, pathetic wretch, ‘left behinds’ have become miserable, thick, pinched and peevish haters because of globalisation, the only fitting and appropriate response is to ignore them and hope they don’t take long to die out.’ These London commentators have zero clue, their pinched and peevish hater voters are actually predominantly benefitting economically from globalisation, have been doing so well they’re financially in a position to choose to escape it’s cultural effects, then become militantly determined that over their dead bodies are immigrants going to do to their new communities what they did to their old.
    So, yes, to the London air head commentariat, prob’ not wrong, globalisation is the cause of it, they’ve all got about every kind of wrong end of the stick explanation of it though.

    • Picquet

      I love a good rant, but not when written in third-former English. I stopped reading this at about the first missed paragraph break. Pity.

      • sarahsmith232

        Luvvie, luvvie, luvie. LOL, I know it dearie, have bl**dy tried to get a paragraph in, went back in to give them a few more thingies, you know, the bar at the bottom, uploaded the same way again, I have tried dear to show paragraphs, not my fault dear, the thing wont upload them with the spaces. anyway.

        Ah, actually, I remember now how to work it, put the line in. I shall try again.

        • sarahsmith232

          ok, now it’s deleting it!!!! WTF

          • Al Bowlly

            Get a right-hander to do it for you, love.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Click where you want a para, then click again to get a double space. Simples!

          • sarahsmith232

            Damaris luvie, I have done, I clicked a fair old few times! now the flipping thing has got one of those ‘hold one, Spec’ is moderating’ things.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Speccie moderating rules have become a lot tighter my dear.

  • sarahsmith232

    Liddle dearie, could you post a link to the Durham Uni’ thing, just had a quick shiftie about the internet using some obvious key words and nothing was coming up.
    I’m presuming this is what so many have been quoting from over the last year or so. For me, if there ever was ever any better evidence of how insular, ignorant and small minded the London media/politicians have become then you couldn’t get a better e.g than their response to this. The researchers findings show white people in white areas are hostile, this then would require some explanation. There are so many different factors to look at, but of course, for a person to able to consider all the different factors at play they first of all would need to be aware of them. Good luck trying to find one of our ‘elites’ that has the first clue.
    So how is it they instead go about filling in their blanks? Of course, via the same route that that Thornberry did upon witnessing evidence of savage life while in Ukipland. A person could wonder at whether the fact that Globalisation means nobody works in the communities they grew up in any more, so everyone is shifting like never before. Muslims move to be around their own, are any of these ‘elites’ even aware of the ways in which this is effecting muslim communities? First borns that can’t be bothered to be around finger wagging Bangladeshi’s and jumped up idiot teenage boys ship out of Tower Hamlets to be around their own in Essex, their own being other first borns that can’t be bothered with the myther in a place like TH. Welfare dependent, jumped up 20something, raging idiot muslims think that place is a paradise, so all pile in. Creates an extreme, with the inevitable political fall out.
    Same deal with white areas, did the researchers bother to ask how many had moved their from somewhere else? Course not, might produce a spanner in the works result. In affluent Lancashire there are a number of completely white areas, all bunched up together and v.nice they are to. I’ll bet there’s no more than about 10% of people living there grew up in them. Everyone is all of an ilk, all the same kind of people, affluent Lancashire types that have moved to be around their own. Again, creates an extreme. But they’d only have to spit and they’ll hit Blackburn/Bolton/Burnley/other ‘greatly enriched’ towns to witness the difference. The London commentators have no idea about any of this, they seem to think they’re having zero contact.
    None of these factors even so much as enter their little heads when commenting on this. It’s such simple minded comments ‘they are all whites, they’re only around whites, they’re not having any contact with multiculturalism’. Oh, they’re all having contact all right, and it’s the reason why they’ve all moved away and to be around their own. They’re all such air heads, they’re constantly doing their ‘globalisation is the cause of this’ meaning – ‘the thick, pathetic wretch, ‘left behinds’ have become miserable, thick, pinched and peevish haters because of globalisation, the only fitting and appropriate response is to ignore them and hope they don’t take long to die out.’ These London commentators have zero clue, their pinched and peevish hater voters are actually predominantly benefitting economically from globalisation, have been doing so well they’re financially in a position to choose to escape it’s cultural effects, then become militantly determined that over their dead bodies are immigrants going to do to their new communities what they did to their old.
    So, yes, to the London air head commentariat, prob’ not wrong, globalisation is the cause of it, they’ve all got about every kind of wrong end of the stick explanation of it though.

    • sarahsmith232

      The paragraphs are refusing to upload, oh well.

  • Damaris Tighe

    This is a very good rant, Rod, on a serious topic: the way the ruling narrative is pushed & pushed through outright deception (‘net immigration’) & mendatious polling ‘results’ which omit the whole story. They take us for fools.

    • AJH1968

      I remember you asking the spectator why they had not entertained a rational debate on the net cost of mass immigration. All we have had instead is a lot of obfuscation. Thank goodness for journalists like Liddle and Murray.

      • Terry Field

        Your nation has many immigrants who are unintelligent. Was that wise???????

      • Mike

        I’d like to see a list of fiscal questions all centered around that subject and given to all party leaders to respond to. But before telling the country the results, we need each party to receive the others parties figures so that checks can be done on the sort of lies we’ve come to expect from LibLabCon and counter points created.

        Of course it will never happen as LibLabCon refuse to be honest about facts and with those sorts of pre-conditions they’d just refuse to take part.

  • JimHHalpert

    Rod, have you told Isabel all this? According to her there’s nothing to see, move along now, and has already scheduled her first burka fitting.

  • The findings of my rigorous research indicate that there are clusters of the “demographic“ who produce crap “findings“, that totally contradict the experience of all sentient people with a reliable connection to reality, around our universities. They rebrand “totally implausible” as “counter-intuitive” and get PhDs for it.
    Honestly, I’ve got an excel file to prove it.

    • Martha van der Pol

      The LSE seems to be the biggest shysters in this respect.

      • Lapsed self-loather

        A subversive Marxist organisation through and through.

  • Bluesman_1

    Southpaw and its synonyms should be deleted from any obviously “correct” dictionary. Especially with its connotations of otherness euphemistically expressed as “south” or “southern” or any other indication of being non-indigenous (which should also be banned), As for “paw” – it is nothing short of disgusting. the whole anti-left handedness paradigm is nothing less than sinister!

    We should start a victim support group on behalf of the socially disadvantaged immediately to bring this “sini-phobia” to a wider audience for their approbation. Remember “you do not have to be right to be left”.

    To the barricades.

  • SeeEvil,hearEvil,speakEvil

    At least you can still make us laugh Rod. Even if it is dark humour!

  • Right-Minded

    Brilliant article Rod! funny and incisive as usual. Thank god the Spectator has you (and Douglas Murray), unfortunately I can’t say the same for your other colleagues.

    I actually envy people like Isabel and the others like her who dominate the mainstream media, they live on in blissful ignorance totally oblivious to the damage mass immigration has. I don’t like resorting to tired clichés like the ‘ivory towers’ which these people inhabit, but its painfully accurate, they don’t see their areas changed beyond recognition.

    It’s not even the change I mind, small numbers have integrated happily in the past… but it’s the ruthless and relentless pace of change which has seen my city of Birmingham decimated, much of it is uninhabitable.

    • Martha van der Pol

      It’s very sad and very true. We moved out of London 5 yrs ago and hubbie now spends nearly 2 hours each way commuting in for work. But it’s green, pleasant, people are polite and behave properly and son is 11 and no-one’s yet been stabbed or made pregnant in his school as they might well have in London by now. None of it makes sense especially the refusal to discuss any of these issues openly by Tories. In Israel there is immigration from across the globe, but there is cohesion – everyone must learn Hebrew, do National Service and generally behave. Same in Japan – much nicer countries than ours threatens to become. More here http://wp.me/p3aBMK-I

      • Terry Field

        Your country is a set of mutually loathing ghetto groupings.
        Celebrate the diversity!!!!

      • JohnCrichton89

        But this does nothing but put off dealing with the problem, eventually you quaint little slice of the UK will be spoiled. Black gang crime and Muslim paedophile rings/terrorism/elitism will destroy it.
        I used to live in a seaside town in Colchester, Brightlingsea, haven’t been back in a while. I am almost afraid to look. Used to travel to London as a child, seen it a year ago for the first time in 15 years……..I am only 26. Imagine what I will see in 20 more years !
        I’m going to pack up and get out of here as soon as I am finished with academia. It’s so depressing to watch

    • David Prentice

      Speaking of Isabel, it’s not only her fatuous, left-wing politics – the girl can’t write to save herself! How did she land a writing job on the Spectator?

      • Jim

        In her defence, it seems to be her job to comment on the westminster bubble from inside the westminster bubble. She certainly does that.

      • Statman

        On Isabel. She seems to be always on the box. She enables the biased to media to pretend they right wing balance by interviewing a Spectator writer. She’s a fifth column.
        Excellent and brave article by Rod.

        • Statman

          To should read TV and have between they and right

    • NickG

      Isabel Hartman’s writing is as semolina for the mind.

      But she is pretty. So personally I’d find her work much more engaging if she just got her kit off and strutted her stuff.

      I suspect I’m not alone.

  • Rik

    Hey i’m now officially an oppressed minority with my own personal columnist,does this mean i get my own quango next?
    Yours the sinister bigot.
    Thanks Rod.

    • Bluesman_1

      Well done. If only more of the differently manipular community would speak out. we could end this injustice.

      We should engage Ed balls as our Patron – a man who proves every day that being Left means never being right!

    • Chris Morriss

      Me too! We must demand our ‘uman rights eh?

  • EricHobsbawmtwit

    I am left handed for writing but I’m right handed when I play sport, holding tennis racquet, cricket bat, etc.

    Anyway I can confirm that left handed people are stupid.

    • Chris Morriss

      I write with my left hand, but naturally hold the mouse in my right hand. Ideal if you ask me!

  • Tim Reed

    And at a time when out of control immigration is perhaps the most pressing issue for many people, we hear (via a survey that the government apparently attempted to suppress) that the Border Force has been starved of funding and staff to the such a degree that they simple cannot cope with the task of protecting what’s left of our nation’s borders.

    But remember, Dave and Theresa are fully committed to bringing immigration under control.

    Still, at least the foreign aid budget is still ring-fenced. Priorities.

    http://www.itv.com/news/2014-12-04/border-force-workers-tell-itv-news-they-cannot-protect-uks-borders-amid-crippling-staff-shortages/

  • ADW

    A few years ago the bbc reported on gang rape in London. The offenders were all black. The bbc quick as a flash added that this was not because they were black, but because they lived in the area where these attacks were taking place. No, I’m not making this up.

    • Terry Field

      The BBC is an international joke that no serious people overseas takes even remotely seriously, on social or political matters.
      The stats on Black on white and black on black crime used to speak volumes – before it was made unavailable by the Joseph Goebbels Foundation on Public Education. Located somewhere in London.

    • John Smith

      They do much the same for knife crime in South London
      Which is almost exclusively black on black

      • mickus

        Good.

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      Obvious question: what colour was the victim?

      • ADW

        Victims. There were a number of them. And I don’t need to answer any further, I am sure.

  • James Jones

    “The gross figure of people coming to live here from abroad was 583,000”

    It seems that this must be an underestimate.

    In 2011,2012, and 2013 we issued 700,000, 610,000 and 638,000 new National Insurance numbers to foreign nationals. Then there are the overstayers and other illegals.

    The true net immigration is a lot higher than the official figures suggest.

    • bigmax

      I read that one of the supermarkets admitted to someone that, based on their food sales, the true population in this country was near to 80 million. This was off the record about 7 years ago. I don’t know which supermarket it was but I wouldn’t be too surprised if it was true.

      • Chris Morriss

        Tesco stated a figure of 75 million a bit longer ago than that, so that will be one source. (Of course our overseers claimed the figure was not actually due to the number of people, but instead showed the vast amount of food that is allegedly wasted).

    • Terry Field

      When I visit your little world it seems to be stuffed to the gills, with all sorts of oddities from God knows where. All unknown by the ‘Home Office’ no doubt.

  • Richard

    A cursory look at the figures will tell you that the average British IQ is now probably something like 97, down from 100, and this is set to fall further. Labour will more easily be able to get in again, and stay in. I think the War must have driven Brits mad. What else could explain what they have done to their country?

    • Martha van der Pol

      Inbreeding in the muslim community is a huge factor and surely explains some of the more bonkers behaviour – http://wp.me/p3aBMK-1L

    • Lapsed self-loather

      Marxism.

      • James Jones

        “Marxist offshoot” “interests of multi-national big business”

        Our mass immigration nightmare in a nutshell.

    • Terry Field

      The data from 1914 to 2014 across the west shows a 10% drop. Looking at some of the new ‘constituents’ it is probably a sodding site lower.

  • haywardsward

    Interesting, Lies damn lies and then staistics?

    My father a left hander, but born in the 1920s, when such was not encouraged, so became ambidextrous, able to draw with both hands and a successful educator specialising in English as TFL and t then the teaching of such to those teaching TEFL.

    I am able to use left and right hand though a right hander by “design” I mouse left handed so can use my right for the numeric keyboard instead of pecking at the keys at the top. I can swing an axe, shovel and hammer left handed. Have a successful career at an Academic Library in a university Down Under

    We have two left handed sons, both here Down Under, who are both successful in what they do.

    One a musician/it professional, working in an out reach programme at at state library.
    The other a degree qualified industrial designer/qualified tradesman in machining/tooling, working as a technician at another university.

  • Rush_is_Right

    When playing cricket it’s a good idea to bat left handed and right handed to alternate balls. My word, how it irritates the fielders!

  • Bill_der_Berg

    Well done, Durham University, but it’s not all good news, according to an earlier study carried out in the US in 2000. The results were so unpalatable that head of the research team waited five years before publishing his report.

    ” ….. a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam — famous for “Bowling Alone,” his 2000 book on declining civic engagement — has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.”

  • Sam

    As both a “low-earning dimwit” and an actual scientict, I thank you for reporting this Harvard study as what it is – statistical analysis, and not real science. Unlike other online forums (*cough* Daily, Telegraph, Bloomberg… *cough*).

    However, the actual journal publication (http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.28.4.193), although sometimes a bit too strongly worded, does make a few interesting points. Left-handedness observed in children whose mothers had poor prenatal healthcare and/or a difficult labor might be a sign of more serious brain and behavioral issues. Especially if the mother is not left-handed.

  • Bel-Shammaroth

    Really, a lot of the emigrants from the UK were recent immigrants, as the results of the study made clear. Many people come from Poland and other countries, stay for a few years, make some money and then return home.

    • uberwest

      Yes they do take a lot of money out of the country don’t they?

  • 70sgirly

    Yes Rod, we know all these surveys are utter B/S and it’s all about manipulating the data to “prove” whatever you want to prove. The numbers are terrifying and it is simply impossible to build enough homes and capacity in our services to cope with 1/4 million extra people per year. Even if they were all making a net contribution to the economy (which they’re not) the sheer scale and speed of it just beggars belief.

    But what’s even more scary is that the traitorous bar stewards who deliberately did this, are still not being held to account. Their diversionary tactic of “look over there, a racist” is still working (just).

  • Wandy

    And everyone who calls some one a bigot because they are patriotic about theit country, should be taken to the tower of london and shot.

  • ungagged

    At last someone who writes the truth about immigration.
    It is ALWAYS the NET immigration figures that are told to mask the REAL reason that the face of your town or city is changing so fast. No LibLabCon actually mentions the numbers leaving in order to HIDE the truth. The article says over HALF A MILLION immigrants arriving yet because of the numbers LEAVING they try to convince us it is not that bad.
    LibLabCon are lying to us in every way over immigration and hopefully they will not be able to soon !!!.

  • Jack_H

    It reminds me of the poll about EU membership……..lots of loaded questions about ‘are you in favour of a reformed EU?’and things along those lines and suprise suprise……….the British public are hugely in favour of our membership!

  • happymike Chester

    A nice story to get the ranting racists going .Forget about the real problems ruining the country .

  • Patriot = Victor Meldrews Brot

    Thought there was something ‘strange’ in those left handed stats! as every very Senior Manager I had in Local Governemnt was left handed, and as I am worried about unfettered immigration am I a bigot? NO JUST A WORRIED PATRIOT

  • MathMan

    I’m left-handed, a member of MENSA, have a First in engineering and a very high degree of mechanical aptitude. Where do I fit into the stats?

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      Where do you work interests me just as much ?
      Shall I go out on a limb and say you may be a lecturer ?

      Even if you are not the existence of high academic achievers going on to teach other academic types, both producing little and costing lots, needs a serious reappraisal.

      Where you ‘fit’ is at the extreme right hand (lol) end of the bell curve: assuming on average lefties are dumbos.

      btw at the primary school I attended it could have been possible that you would have been punished for your insolence.
      Compound tenses. Is the usage correct. ?
      It looks right to me.
      I’d love to read that in German hehehehehe

    • GraveDave

      At this time all we know is that you are a mass of characters in the shape of a paragraph on a blogging box. I mean I don’t go round bragging that I’m the world’s greatest lover or anything .

      Though my ladies might. But that’s down to them.

  • Mark McIntyre

    This Left Hander (at least with the pen, paint brush and fork (when using only the latter) has ‘earned’ considerably less than most other people – period !
    A lifetime of scrounging and before that of bunking – put paid to any hope of any career.
    Bitter ? – Moi ?? – Nah ! – so long as the giros keep popping through !!
    As for immigration – there be far too much of it, indeed, other than chefs for certain ‘exotic’ restaurants / take-aways – there should be no need for any of it !

  • Terry Field

    How would a left-hander who earns 235,000 of your pounds per year compute???

  • John Smith

    ‘For a start, those who are leaving tend to speak English as a first language, which is not true of the overwhelming majority of those who are coming in. And those leaving here tend to be higher paid, better skilled and better educated than the people who arrive.’

    No one can explain why we need one more non english speaking, unskilled person in this country
    If we were sensible & in command of our future, we would have stemmed the flow

    • gelert

      And they are still coming from the 3rd world, not just the EU.

  • Mike

    Ex-pat retirees generally leave the UK with upwards of 200k in capital assets to buy a property to live in and a couple will probably receive upwards of 15k – 20k per annum in pensions that come from the UK. Thats one big chunk of change to help the struggling economies of say Spain or Italy and the cost to the host country is a big fat ZERO in both fiscal terms and cultural terms. A few Brits might drink a bit to much Sangria from time to time but I’ve never heard of a case of retired ex-pat Brits grooming 11 year old Spanish girls even though there maybe a few cultural differences between us. Maybe its a religion thing that makes us more civilized than some men in Rotherham, you think !!!

    In contrast, a family of 4 entering the UK from eastern Europe or further afield where there is only one bread winner will cost the UK economy dear. Welfare costs, education costs, health costs, translation costs and housing costs all paid for by the state, correction the tax payers, and considering its very likely the bread winner is either working in the black economy or on low income, there’s very little (if any) tax or NI contributions being paid in. By definition in extreme examples, there could be 4 or more kids each from 4-6 wives needing to be supported by the tax payers of Britain.

    Even if emigration matched immigration numbers (which it doesn’t), there is a massive disparity in the fiscal sums where ex-pats host countries couldn’t survive today without the benefit of Brits living there whilst the UK could save billions by halting immigration of families from low wage areas.

    • CO Jones

      The second part of your example is illustrated by an article in the Daily Mail: a Romanian part-time self-employed scrap metal collector in London, who arrived in the UK in January, pays no tax as he earns so little.

      Never mind, all is not doom and gloom for him: while he has been in the UK, he has apparently managed to save £60,000 (that’s what the article says: sixty thousand pounds) of the benefits he has received and is having a house built with it in his village in Romania. He is quoted as saying “It’s like free money, thank you England.”.

      Thank you, indeed.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2864952/My-60-000-benefits-helped-build-house-Romanian-migrant-boasts-handouts-UK-helped-construct-home-wife-children-homeland.html

      • Mike

        I just read that and it shows the contempt that LibLabCon have towards the tax paying Brits by allowing eastern Europeans to milk the system and benefit in asset terms as a consequence.

        It is true that Brits do benefit from lower cost of property in the EU but the big difference is its their money that was fairly earned and like myself, I was paying the higher rate of income tax on that money unlike low pay workers from Romania.

        Its time to call out Cameron for a response on the real issues like milking the system rather than some militant feminist getting their boobs out in a restaurant !

      • William_Brown

        In my experience, it is wise to question the ‘facts’ as reported in a Daily Mail story.

    • gelert

      Without trying to excuse the grooming of 11 year old girls in the UK, part of the answer might be that it doesn’t happen in Spain because Spanish families are more cohesive, unlike so many dysfunctional UK homes where there is no father and the mothers have a series of “partners”.

      • Mike

        True but in addition, our religion doesn’t preach in its scriptures that its OK to rape infidel white meat either.

    • BlakBruker

      That’s right Mike, they don’t groom kids in Spain or Italy. Why would you when you have the money to go to Gambia and Thailand and just do it out in the open without having to do all that hard work?

      • Mike

        Get it right – Ex pats don’t groom kids anywhere (as far as I’m aware) including Thailand or Gambia as the definition of grooming kids is very different from the other offense of having sex with underage children in any country. Do one or more ex-pats collect many young girls for grooming like those Pakistani men in Rotherham ? No, I didn’t think so but it doesn’t excuse one on one under age abuse but at least get your definitions correct !

        Now that’s corrected, the article and my response was mainly about costs and contributions that immigration brings to different countries and my point about the massive disparity between the UK and other countries with immigration. Perhaps you’d care to comment on the actual article and my points on the social, fiscal and undesirable effects of mass immigration rather than one side effect that I raised !

        • BlakBruker

          Oh dear, you missed the point entirely, i never defined grooming, i said they had no reason to go through the laborious process of grooming when they are affluent enough to just pay to abuse young children directly.

          You are quite right though, we don’t need immigrants coming over here doing our paedophilia when we’ve got enough of our own to do it thank you very much (mostly it would seem within the House of Commons).

  • Diggery Whiggery

    “Also, another recent study — from Durham University — which posited that areas which had a high proportion of immigrants tended to be more pro-immigrant than areas which did not. Um, hang on, you might have muttered… isn’t that because the areas which had a high proportion of immigrants also had a high proportion of immigrants answering your fatuous, politically loaded survey? ”

    How did you know?

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  • gelert

    A few years ago there was a study from a 3rd rate Canadian university, most are 2nd rate – there’s no 1st rate -which claimed that right-wingers were thick.

    This rubbish was refuted by a statistician.

    http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5118

  • Jankers

    Yorkshire building society’s trust study…people aren’t talking to their neighbours. Always difficult when you speak a different language.

  • JohnCrichton89

    Where exactly are all these indigenous going ? Is there some white Christian country that has been untouched by multiculturalism I am unaware of where we all might flee ? If you have any sort of foresight you will have thought where you might flee too. Ask yourself this;

    Which minority white country should we aspire to be like ?

    Which Muslim majority country should we aspire to be like ?

    White flight from towns and cities will only work for so long. Your options in England are few and far between. Seems like the next reasonable move, pack up and leave the country.
    But again, where can you go? Australia ? I had always had China in mind, communism sure, but they know who they are and aren’t being invaded by third world Muslims. Seems like a strong national identity that will be around long after ‘brutishness’ has faded………. no pun intended, but it already has.

  • artemis in france

    Rod, you’re keeping the rest of us sane. You have no idea how comforting it is to read the plain, unvarnished and unbiased truth written clearly and without fancy jargon. It used to be normal from journalists, but now it seems, many pussy-foot around. Also, too many of them are too young to understand what is happening around them. By the time they reach late middle âge, all will become clear, too late, I fear. My nephew, a forty-year old child in many ways, not married, no children, called me a racist in my own home because I warned him about the huge différence between Muslim birth rates and native Brton birth rates and suggested that when they come for us infidels, so-called moderate Muslims might stand aside and let it happen. He dismissed my remarks as apocalyptic. Oh, by the way, he’s left-handed.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    The acid test: which hand do you wipe your donkey with.

  • BigCheddar

    Rod, more like this needs to be published. We need an open debate, no the BBC censured politically correct obfuscation.

  • Sebastián Corral

    As ridiculous and biassed as the studies it criticises. It’s a narrow, simplistic, confused and disgruntled way to look at things. But then again, Mencken said it better:
    “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”

  • Suzanne Rojek

    I’m left-handed and thought this was hilarious! I’m sure some lefties WERE actually offended by this, proving that they might indeed be thick!

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