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What happens to politicians who insult the audience? Ask Dan Quayle

Plus: Scotland’s budget deficit, high pay at charities and the facts about postal votes

25 April 2015

9:00 AM

25 April 2015

9:00 AM

Any answers?

Nigel Farage accused the audience in the BBC opposition leaders’ debate of being left-wing. Need insulting an audience destroy a political career?
— Former US Vice President Dan Quayle did it on a number of occasions, telling an audience of American Samoans in 1989: ‘You all look like happy campers to me.’ Two years later he upset the American Bar Association by asking: ‘Does America really need 70% of the world’s lawyers?’
— Current US Vice President Joe Biden told a crowd in Wisconsin in 2010: ‘You’re the dullest audience I’ve ever spoken to.’
— Nigel Farage has done it before. In December he said to Russell Brand of a heckler in a Question Time audience: ‘These are your voters … lovely people’.

Scottish prudence

Nicola Sturgeon said she wanted an end to austerity. How is the SNP getting on with balancing the books in Scotland?
— In 2013/14 public expenditure in Scotland was £66.4bn£12,500 a head.
— Onshore revenue was £50bn, or £9,400 a head. With a geographical share of North Sea revenue, it reaches £54bn.
— Excluding North Sea revenue, Scotland’s deficit was 12.2% of GDP. With this included, it falls to 8.1% of GDP.
— The budget deficit for the UK as a whole was 5.6% of GDP.
Source: Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland

Charity begins at home


Jane Ashcroft, chief executive of the Anchor Trust housing association, was revealed to have been paid £420,000 last year. Four charities who pay more:

TOP-PAID STAFF MEMBER IN LATEST ACCOUNTS
London Clinic £850,000–£860,000
Nuffield Health £770,000–£780,000
Wellcome Trust £590,000–£600,000
Royal Opera House £566,000

Source: www.thirdsector.co.uk

Going postal

Postal votes for the general election went out. Who votes by post?
In 2010, 7 million people (15.3% of the overall total) voted by post.
Highest percentage: 40.6%, in Newcastle-upon-Tyne North.
Lowest: 5.9%, in Hull North.
— Groups more likely to vote by post than in person: 18-24-year-olds, over-65s, lone parents, unemployed people.
— Less likely: professionals, managers, owner-occupiers, graduates, non-white people.
Source: Electoral Commission

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  • burberryblue

    Is it an insult to call people who are proud of being left wing, well … Left Wing?

  • Ivan Ewan

    70% left wing audience. UKIP’s lawyers are looking into the BBC’s mandates, probably even as I type this.

  • Nick

    Mr.Farage did not insult the audience.

  • WTF

    He might have p***** off all the LiberalNymbyFascists in the BBC studio audience but as he said, the real audience was at home and they are the ones that back him.

    • Sarah

      Yeah. Lets see how well he does with his “real audience” come the election. What’s he going to get? 4 seats? Looks like there are dozens of you! Dozens!

      • pp22pp

        The proportion of voters sympathising with UKIP is 31% – as shown in Euro-lections. Their support falls away in general elections because of FPTP, but is still a respectble 13% according to Yougov. I think there are more than a few dozen of us. By the way, does you job depend on the rest of us paying punitive levels of taxation? If so, it goes a long way to explaining you loyalties. Liebour and the Libdems are the preserve of overpaid, underproductive pubic servants (aka parasites).

        • UKSteve

          “The proportion of voters sympathising with UKIP is 31% – as shown in Euro-lections.”

          Which has got jack to do with s0d all. 1 million votes in 2010 would not have got you better representation in the Commons in a different system.

          This, however, is more reflective of the moment; UKIP used to say “leave the EU!” Epic fail:

          http://www.eureferendum.com/images/000a%20YouGov-023%20refpoll.jpg

          UKIP should be a massive and formidable political force with a set of values people are screaming out for; under Farage it’s a joke.

          • AgZarp

            What on Earth are you trying to say? This is indecipherable:

            “This, however, is more reflective of the moment; UKIP used to say “leave the EU!” Epic fail”

            Besides, 1 million is roughly 1/30th of 2010 votes, so yes there are non-FPtP systems that would result in more seats. What are you on, mate?

          • UKSteve

            Indecipherable? To Ukippers maybe.

            It was always “Leave the EU” for UKIP, which they seem to have drooped in the last year or so. The graphic shows how more UK people than ever would vote to stay in the EU if a referendum were held.

            So what is the point of UKIP, other than to provide seats on the gravy train for Farage and his chums?

            There. I used smaller words.

          • Aporia

            UKIP’s image as ‘the nasty party’ has, in the minds of many potential Eurosceptics, tainted opposition to the EU simply by association. A referendum on EU membership would give Euroscepticism a more ‘acceptable’ expression, since it would bring out Eurosceptics from all of the political parties. Bear in mind the strong Eurosceptic strain within the Conservative party.

          • UKSteve

            I agree to an extent. But to me, there are no EUro-sceptics in the 3 traitor parties – there cannot possibly be. There is no “….Eurosceptic strain within the Conservative party…” – it is a traitor party.

            Any true EUro-sceptics belong in UKIP, but it is a cross between a catastrophe and a shambles as run by the clueless Farage. Since the demise of the BNP, which has a current estimated current membership of 500, I think they’ve swelled the ranks of UKIP in recent years.

            Can you actually believe that people think Farage is a good speaker? I’ve listened to him for years, and say the same thinks over and over again, using different words.

          • Aporia

            There’s a number of Tory MP who would probably have joined UKIP had they entered politics now. Daniel Hannan’s membership of the party is now essentially conditional on Cameron giving us a referendum. Only base loyalty remains. I hope that when we do get a referendum the Eurosceptics are not silenced by fear of ostracism.

            As for Farage, he’s charismatic, he’s unashamed, and he tramples over the PC moralising of the Left whenever it tries to shut him down, but I can’t help but thinking that he and his party are incompetent and not fit for government, I’m happy with UKIP taking the position of de facto right-wing pressure group keeping the Tories in check.

          • UKSteve

            Yes, quite. I think if UKIP were a more professional outfit, a different picture would emerge. But as an ex-Tory and Thatcher worshipper, I am truly horrified by the betrayal by the party, especially in Heath’s days.

            Anyway, Farage will not win Thanet, so I look forward to him stepping down.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You sound so cock sure. I really hope you are wrong and recent polls show you are.

          • UKSteve

            I’m sure I’m not and I really hope so because I want Farage and his rubbish cabala out of it. I want UKIP to be strong, well-led, intellectually based, and causing nervous breakdowns across the whole traitorous, pro-EU Establishment.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No, for this round you need Farage in. He’s already said he doesn’t want the top job so would most likely step down as leader within the next parliament anyway. But I want him in the HOC running rings around the establishment twonks. UKIP will naturally mature as a party.

          • UKSteve

            It will not. Farage has been and is a disaster.

            UKIP doesn’t even resemble what I require in a true opposition party, so…..

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            It’s likely to be 5 more years of pain. But when all those second places turn to wins in 2020 the landscape will change for good. My only regret is that it is not this election where seconds are being turned to wins. I fear the country will be lost by 2020. At which point I’ll bid you all adieu, and p!ss off down under.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Farage would never be prime minister. He’s already said he wouldn’t want to be. The quality of the candidates is maturing quite nicely and a strong leader will emerge. Farage is just getting the party up the first rung of the ladder

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            What you mean, the truth, in english, with a straight answer.
            Yes he’s an awful speaker. I can’t understand the point he is trying to make most of the time. /sarc

            Are you trying to say the other party leaders do,t say the same thing over again for years. FFS, Mr Ed can’t even eat a sandwich or hold a cup of tea without cocking it up.

          • UKSteve

            I know. I’m still struggling over who to vote for, and I’ve never been so unsure in my life.

            Farage won’t win Thanet, he’ll lose by a country mile.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I cannot believe anyone who is sound of mind would vote Labour. And the Tories have lost all credibility in my eyes. Whether they have a cat in hells chance of winning or not I will vote for any party other than one of the establishment parties. UKIP being the obvious choice.

          • dms0001

            I don’t view UKIP as the nasty party, nor do many I’ve met. i presume your a labour party Apparatchik, using that abuse, usually preserved for your enemies, the Tory party. Farage must be really stirring you all up, for you to transfer that abuse to him.

          • dms0001

            Being so confident, then why not have a referendum. By your thinking, should get a stay in vote, Appears you along with others of a small visceral minority prefer to post here, maybe cause you’ve got a sad life. if you wish to pay for the privilege of a complete bunch of parasites, pontificating, dictating, coercing you by threat of forc e or punitive fines, then move to the centre of the EU, Brussels.

          • UKSteve

            Just another dribbling imbecile with a PC and a Disqus account. Clearly a UKIPper So in your case, no life and no f*******clue about politics.

            I’ve been writing, campaigning and assisting those who were standing for office to get out of the Common Market since 1985. Learn to read.

          • AgZarp

            So, do you mean to say that parties that do not currently represent the majority in all of their policies have no valid reason to exist?
            That would be funny if it wasn’t dangerously ridiculous.

          • UKSteve

            No. Apparently you are saying it, whatever “it” is, not that “it” has anything to do with what I wrote. .

          • AgZarp

            “The graphic shows how more UK people than ever would vote to stay in the EU if a referendum were held.

            So what is the point of UKIP, other than to provide seats on the gravy train for Farage and his chums?”
            What else could you mean by this BS?

          • UKSteve

            You clearly don’t have the requisite equipment to absorb / process an explanation.

            AgZarp. Says it all; meaningless gibberish. .

          • AgZarp

            I would know if you had the requisite faculties to convey an explanation.

          • UKSteve

            My previous comment would indicate that the opposite is true, thereby proving my point exquisitely.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            And what was the dynamic of the polling sample?

          • UKSteve

            I’ve no idea, I didn’t quote it (orig.)

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Exactly. The polls mean nothing really do they?

          • UKSteve

            Well ,this was the poll of polls. They’re only meant to show trends, nothing more concrete than that, or Kinnock would have been PM. But UKIP is not doing well in them…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I don’t believe in the polls. It can be skewed any way you like and UKIP has been underplayed from the off.

      • Aporia

        When will people begin to realise that, under FPTP, a party can have vast support yet fail to gain any seats at all? I’m you wouldn’t find that so difficult to grasp were it your party facing this inherent disadvantage.

  • AgZarp

    Whilst I believe that to be left-wing is a deficiency, I doubt the lefties in the audience would view it as an insult.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Christopher Hitchens used to get away with it.

  • mikewaller

    His real problem is that he has far too little quality in depth. I attended a hustings in Stratford-upon-Avon and the UKIP man was by far the weakest performer.

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