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The new sexual revolution

It’s not about what you do. It’s about how you describe yourself

17 October 2015

9:00 AM

17 October 2015

9:00 AM

The first thing you need to know about the new sexual revolution isn’t how to do it: it’s how to talk it. Confining yourself to terms such as straight, gay and bisexual — which once, perhaps, covered most of what you thought you needed to know about a person’s orientation — is indicative of adherence to a ‘binary’ view of sexuality. It is fast becoming the equivalent of walking around in plus-fours, peering at human desire through a monocle.

These days, people — particularly those in their teens and twenties — are declaring themselves ‘pansexual’, ‘genderfluid’ and ‘genderqueer,’ which means they won’t be confined to the old folks’ dreary, black-and-white view of attraction or gender. Take Miley Cyrus, for example, the US pop singer and former child star of Disney’s Hannah Montana. Up until recently, the adult Cyrus might chiefly have been defined as a roaring exhibitionist. On one memorable occasion in 2013, her suggestive gyrations with a giant foam hand cowed even the confidently sleazy pop star Robin Thicke: next to Miley onstage at the Video Music Awards, he gradually took on the demeanour of an anxious Edinburgh dowager.

Then, last August, Cyrus came out as ‘pansexual’: defined as an attraction ‘towards people of any sex or gender identity’, including those who are ‘transgender’ or ‘genderqueer’. A transgender person, as many now know, is someone who does not identify with their biological sex, and wishes instead to unite their form with their feelings — for example Caitlyn Jenner, the former US Olympic athlete once known as Bruce; or Kellie Maloney, originally the boxing promoter Frank. Although both were men who became women, the travel can of course be in either direction.

Yet sometimes individuals want to climb out of one gender, but not straight into another, arriving at the third way: ‘non–binary and genderqueer’. Some days, such folk say, they identify as a man and on others as a woman. Or they might never feel like either, but remain in a genderless space between the two. Some genderqueer people insist on being called the singular form of ‘they’ rather than ‘he’ or ‘she’. The polite thing when in doubt, apparently, is to check first: which pronoun do you prefer?

If Miley is potentially attracted to men, women, trans and genderqueer people, she’s not alone: the model of the moment, Cara Delevingne, is currently stepping out with her girlfriend St Vincent — birth name Anne Clark — an avant-garde musician and songwriter. St Vincent is fine-boned and ethereally beautiful, like the female heir to David Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust years, and says: ‘I believe in gender fluidity. I don’t really identify as anything.’ Then there is Ruby Rose, the Australian model and star of the US prison series Orange Is the New Black, who combines a strikingly pretty face with a cropped quiff and two armfuls of tattoos. Rose, who is lesbian and describes herself as ‘very genderfluid’, has triggered crushes in legions of erstwhile heterosexual women, many of whom are publicly vowing on social media, ‘I would go gay for Ruby Rose.’ Some lesbians disapprove, arguing that sexual orientation is not something you can take on and off like a shirt: yet according to a recent YouGov survey, almost half of young people between 18 and 24 in the UK don’t consider themselves exclusively straight or gay.

Mainstream fashion is muscling in. This season Fendi has chosen the couture muse Amanda Harlech as the face of its menswear collection. Harlech is pictured on horseback, wearing a black moustache and looking like the lost son of Salvador Dalí. The creative director of menswear, Silvia Venturini Fendi, has suggested that the department will soon blur with womenswear: ‘No more classification. No more boundaries. No more pink for girls.’


Is this new? Not in itself, no. If every generation thinks that it invented sex, then much the same holds true for androgyny. There have always been those who yearned, for various reasons, to elude the restrictions imposed by biology. Such figures are present in myth and art, from the Greek god Aphroditus — clad and shaped like a woman save for a discreet penis — to Shakespeare’s cross-dressing casts. In some eras such behaviour posed a risky challenge to authority: Joan of Arc’s political enemies used her habit of dressing as a man as the technical pretext for her execution.

Other times proved more indulgent: the society poet Natalie Barney, for example — perhaps the most exciting thing ever to come out of Dayton, Ohio — was in some ways a trailblazer for the ‘genderfluid’ youth of today. Barney cut a swathe through fin-de-siècle Paris as a wealthy lesbian adventurer who publicly denounced monogamy (although it was her long-time lover, the American artist Romaine Brooks, who was keener on male clothing). Her literary salon endured for 60 years, and in matters of seduction she was rarely coy: in 1899, when the young Barney took a shine to the famous French courtesan Liane de Pougy, she donned a page’s costume and presented herself at de Pougy’s house as ‘a page of love’ sent by Sappho. De Pougy’s book about their affair became a runaway bestseller.

If history is a series of reactions, one can understand today why many young women, in particular, might seek refuge in androgyny. In the first decade of this century femininity blew up into a parody of itself: the dictates of glamour began to verge on tyranny. We witnessed the expanding popularity of surgically inflated breasts, fake tans, face fillers and pumped-up pouts, hair extensions, semi-permanent eyelashes, veneered teeth and teetering heels. Little girls were showered in glitter, slicked with lip gloss and steered towards the toy section where everything was the same screaming shade of bubblegum pink. And just as some men — repelled, perhaps, by machismo — are drawn to the bright lights of this feminine theme park, some women are deciding that the surest route out of it is in a pair of brogues.

Yet if ‘gender fluidity’ was always with us, some traits of the current revolution seem more about censoriousness than freedom. In the past gender-bending was a means of defying labels; today, it more often seems like a way of acquiring them. Gender has become the chosen ground for a new wave of identity politics.

One ingredient has been the rise in organised transgender activism. As gay and lesbian organisations gained political clout and social recognition, many transgender people justifiably felt isolated: they were often ridiculed and left to navigate prejudice alone (a study last year uncovered a grim statistic: that 48 per cent of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide). It is surely right that society should treat transgender people with more courtesy: some trans women I spoke to told me that complete strangers have quizzed them on the precise nature of their genitalia.

Yet the argument about sex and gender has grown increasingly factional. On university campuses and social media it has often created not a new utopia of relaxed tolerance, but claustrophobic bickering over terminology and thought-crime. In a climate of competitive victimhood, where the key phrase is ‘check your privilege’, there is a battle over who can claim the highest level of oppression.

The claim to being woefully misunderstood has a particular allure for clever young female students. One such, Farhana Khan, wrote recently in the Independent about her ‘pansexuality’. At the end of the article, she noted that she had exclusively dated men. It was outrageous that some people used this to cast doubt on her pansexuality, she said, since ‘I’m attracted to all different kinds of people.’ It appeared to me as if Ms Khan was pansexual in the same way that I am a resident of Ulan Bator, on the basis that I haven’t actually visited but might like to go there some day. Then again, such an interpretation marks me as out of date: identity is no longer about what you actually do, but the hazier notion of how you might feel.

Transgender activists and their supporters use the prefix ‘cis’ to describe those who identify as the sex they were born into, speaking of ‘cis privilege’. Some radical feminists, however, resent ‘cis’, and counter that trans women were born with male privilege. When Germaine Greer spoke at the Cambridge Union earlier this year, she reportedly said with her usual bluntness that trans women do not know what it is to have ‘a big fat hairy smelly vagina’, and argued against the ‘unethical’ use of surgery in transitioning. A boycott of Greer’s talk was organised by Em Travis, a first-year Cambridge student, who condemned the decision to invite the ‘unapologetic transmisogynist Germaine Greer’.

Travis describes herself as ‘non-binary trans’ although ‘mostly coded as “appearing female”’. In other words, she looks feminine — acutely so, from pictures — but doesn’t ‘identify’ as either gender. That’s tough, Travis says, since ‘all too often, we are forgotten or erased, either by the world at large or by the queer community itself’.

Big deal, one is tempted to respond. For who indeed does feel or behave wholly like a man or a woman, when characteristics are often defined by stereotypes in any case? Must George, the headstrong, crop-haired heroine of Enid Blyton’s The Famous Five, now be specially categorised as ‘non-binary trans’? I myself am fond of heels and make-up, but am also untidy, poor at multitasking, and keen on Antony Beevor’s military histories. I have a shed in the garden, and sometimes my husband amuses himself by comparing me to Mark Corrigan, the misfit bachelor from Peep Show. Maybe I am internally ‘non-binary trans’ too, but then — by the lights of not strictly conforming to a mutating set of stereotypes — so are many women I know.

Unless one’s biology and identity feel so wildly out of whack that it causes severe, continuing unhappiness, mightn’t it be best — while choosing whatever clothes and relationships bring you joy — to quit the more nebulous refinements of self-definition and get on with life? Or, perhaps, to concentrate those campaigning energies on situations in which people face truly horrifying persecution for perceived departures from heterosexuality? In Isis-held Syria, for example, or Putin’s Russia. Instead, to paraphrase Allen Ginsberg, I see the best minds of their generation destroyed by jargon.

Gender-blurring has hit the Tinder generation: in terms of sexual choice, a ‘swipe right’ market of wild capitalism has replaced the old Soviet-style system in which demand reliably outstripped supply. Yet many students now seem as obsessively preoccupied with finely categorising their sexual and gender identities as their grandparents once were with stamp collections. Still, it will probably put a brake on youthful libidos: while it might not always be an option to laugh someone into bed, it is surely still possible to bore someone out of it.

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  • Nick

    It’s all a load of c–p and most of these people make it up as they go along.

    They spend time dreaming up the next different and fashionable words to describe their fake sexuality.the most recent examples being genderfluid,genderqueer,pansexual etc.

    Next it will something as equally ridiculous as Intergalactic binary orgasmic hog.

    • Dancing Paul

      “Intergalactic binary orgasmic hog” I’ve ‘ad ‘er – well rough.

      • Solage 1386

        Dave f–ked one of them, didn’t he?

    • porcelaincheekbones

      look up the tumblrism video Otherkin

      • Nick

        I had a look at the Otherkins and what struck me more than anything,is that they explained themselves and seemed totally sober.

        Takes all sorts I suppose.

      • hobspawn

        Thank you very much for the recommendation. I have now enjoyed all the tumblrisms rants. They are great.

    • Jess Rose

      Who are you to describe someone else’s identity as ‘fake’? Who have you in mind when you make that hateful comment?

      • Nick

        I’ll fully respond to your question when you explain why you over reacted by describing my comment as hateful.

        There was no hate forthcoming from me.

        • mohdanga

          Anything lefty dolts don’t agree with is ‘hateful’.

      • Solage 1386

        Jess Rose, you are NOT a victim, no matter how much you would like to be.

  • KingEric

    Keen on Anthony Beevor’s military history books? Wow, my kind of woman! Have you got any sisters?

  • Sean Grainger

    Is there a shred of evidence for this? Miley is shagging a bloke and the pop foetus is shagging a girl.

    • blandings

      Ah, but are they?

      • Andrew Cole

        There’s that TV woman that was with a bloke for 20 odd years and now goes out with the Bake off host with glasses.

        Does that count as Bi or Pan? Or is it just realising you’ve been kidding yourself for years and realising you are and always have been a Lesbian?

  • A Free Man

    In about 1500 years someone like Edward Gibbons will identify this as part of the decline of civilisation

    • Bonkim

      No need to wait 1500 years – mankind will be extinct in the next century or so given the population explosion and fast depletion of resources.

      • A Free Man

        Why would a population explosion lead to an extinction and also, what population explosion?

        • Bonkim

          If you can’t see it coming no point discussing – you will have to find the answers yourself.

          • A Free Man

            I see; you are an oddball then.

            Thomas Malthus was wrong 200 years ago and people who say the same today are also wrong. Plus ca change

          • lobotomisedjournalist

            Malthus was not wrong, he just didn’t see that technology would slow the inevitable. The population explosion you seem to want to deny is the absolute growth in human numbers year on year with no exceptions. 1.5 billion 100 years ago, 7 billion now, and a newly upwardly revised UN population prediction of 10 billion by 2050. Everyone wants to eat, have a house, drive a car and fly in an aeroplane – so it takes very little imagination to recognise that the mass extnictions that are already happening in the natural world and resource shortages in the human world will simply accelerate as space for nature and resources for humans runs out.

            Here is a table for you to ponder over:

            World population reached:
            Year
            Time to add 1 billion

            1 billion
            1804

            2 billion
            1927
            123 years

            3 billion
            1960

            33 years

            4 billion
            1974
            14 years

            5 billion
            1987
            13 years

            6 billion
            1999
            12 years
            Happy denying.

          • Bonkim

            Look at the illiterate and ignorant Mid-East population migrating with their huge broods as they find land and resources burning out where they are – I would look at the march across Europe as the visitation of the Biblical Plague of locusts burning everything in their path – by the way population of earth earlier today was over 7.374 Billion – watch it ticking

            http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

            Good luck and make the best of the remaining time you have on earth.

          • hobspawn

            They are not fleeing an ecological disaster. There are plenty of resources for ten billion, but we will need to be better organised.

            I don’t expect to have a car when I am old. I will probably have a bike though. I like bikes more than cars anyway.

          • Bonkim

            Human societies are not made to share and live in a worldwide centrally planned political and economic system as Zombies. Man is a competitive animal and there will be worldwide conflicts as the end game approaches.

          • Bonkim

            You are free to live in your dreamland – look at lobotomisedjournalist’s back of the envelope figures below and no reason to dispute his logic.

            Malthus and Adam Smith’s times new worlds and new resources were being discovered and new technologies being invented. World population was tiny in comparison and consumption per head miniscule, The internal combustion and electrical generators were not yet invented and new ways of transforming metals and other materials undevelped.

            Malthus however understood that you can only graze a finite number of cattle in a given acreage and regardless of how huge the planet looked in his days and so many new continents to provide, he realised the planet had finite resources – so may be a little premature for his time but correct nevertheless.

            If you are still underdeveloped in you mind about the huge increase in population and resources running out – you must be living in another planet.

            Hope you live for ever and burn all the energy and consume like mad – good you are not living on earth. We will be gone soon.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Diminishing returns?

          • Gilbert White

            Malthus cannot be wrong like gravity cannot be right or wrong, you fool.

      • Solage 1386

        Nothing can wipe out homo sapiens till the earth itself can no longer support life. This will occur two billion years from now.

        • Bonkim

          You have a point there – O.K life and organized human societies as we know today and in the numbers present. I suppose the remnants will linger on scrounging what they can out of the destruction left behind for some time.

    • porcelaincheekbones
    • Brogan75

      say 50 years

    • Solage 1386

      The book will probably be written in Arabic.

  • blandings

    I have never given a tinker’s cuss for who scr*ws who, or how they do it, provided they don’t expect me to join in, or applaud, or both.
    This might well be my only virtue so I’m sticking with it.

    • Bonkim

      Take care anyone tampering with young children is a criminal.

      • blandings

        I know.

    • But B, you have lots of virtues, if not lots of vintage cars.

      • blandings

        I plan to have only one of each. A matched pair: Fast and red and with a vague air of disrepute about them. As with girlfriends, more than one demands choices and men aren’t good at choices in my experience.

        • I thought that not having to make choices because you can have it all was the chief trait of being a man!

          • blandings

            Now what man told you that?
            The chief trait of being a man is, as a popular philosopher put it, not knowing your limitations.

          • Ha ha!

          • blandings

            Hey girl, anything that you need to know men (that you haven’t figured out already!) just ask.

          • Another giggle!

          • blandings

            Hey!
            I’m being serious!
            The stories I could tell you.

          • blandings

            Written, I read, as a tribute to the Kink’s then manager who, being somewhat inexperienced, spent the night in a club with a man/woman to the amusement of the band.
            Sort of thing that could have happened to me.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9B3LEqO-cc

          • Happened to you? I doubt it! : )

          • blandings

            I wasn’t always the sophisticated chap that you know so well.

          • Know and like so well.

  • Fulgentian

    Basically society is descending into a hedonistic soup, where people will have sex with anyone or anything, and use some trendy identity-politics name to justify their depravity. But woe betide you if you ‘judge’ them for it!

    • Bonkim

      Ignore this lot, you have nothing to gain by associating with junk people.

    • Coniston

      Never mind. It will all end when we have Sharia Law.

      • Brogan75

        in 10 years time most probably

    • Precambrian

      Pretty much covers it.

    • stag

      That explains David Cameron and that pig…

      • Solage 1386

        I don’t believe that story. Even a dead pig would turn its snout up at Cameron.

  • ill-liberal

    Thought I was at the New Statesman by mistake. Who cares ???

    Had to stop reading when the author seemed to use Miley Cyrus as an example representative of the general population.

    • The Dybbuk

      Then you missed an article on this topic that seeks to inform rather than either condemn or condone. Give it another go you might learn something that is now a reality whether we like it or not.

      • ill-liberal

        I neither condemn, nor condone, people who want to live their life in a way they see fit.

        I do condemn articles that state – ‘These days, people — particularly those in their teens and twenties — are declaring themselves ‘pansexual’, ‘genderfluid’ and ‘genderqueer,’ which means they won’t be confined to the old folks’ dreary, black-and-white view of attraction or gender.’. – The suggestion being that this is the norm. That young people have had enough of these outdated ideas that people, on the whole, are attracted to and will one day reproduce with a member of the opposite sex.

        This has been going on for years, it’s nothing new or outrageous, and it’s boring quite frankly, I just thought the Spectator had a bit more about it.

    • porcelaincheekbones

      She’s doing a naked show. Really. Attention-seekers.

  • Bonkim

    No need to pander to fashion – just be yourself – in any case why associate with this lot? I don’t want to know about the sexual orientation or category of anyone I am meeting – consider that to be their private choice.

    • porcelaincheekbones

      They are worthless people with nothing else interesting about them than their genitals and what they consider doing with them. It’s like vegans or Cross Fitters announcing themselves.

      • Jess Rose

        Shut up. My sibling is gender-queer and that is a hateful thing to say about them. You should know that to identify as queer is NOT simply a matter of genitalia and shagging, and you are obviously bloody stupid if you think it is. You should also know that they are NOT interested in pointing out details of their private lives to YOU, so I wouldn’t worry about it. What a horrible picture to paint. My sibling for example is a quiet person who goes about their job happily, studies hard at University, and really takes care of their friends and family. They read widely, and spend most of their time discussing literature. Who are YOU to imply they are wandering around loudly announcing their sexual preferences, as if they haven’t a brain? Maybe if you bothered to look beyond your bloody computer screen you could see these people for only and exactly what they are; people.

        • What in Gaia’s green earth is ‘gender-queer’? What you mean is ‘confused and sad’.

        • Alex Williamson

          “They”? Is there more than one of them or do you not know what to call it?

        • porcelaincheekbones

          self-righteous ranting? I see wh0ring for attention runs in your family

        • vieuxceps2

          you seem highly defensive for your “gender-queer” (!) sibling, and take care to hide its/his/her gender. Perhaps you “speak for yourself ” ,Jess? And if “they” are only “people”, why should ” they”get special treatment.

      • Titter!

  • ‘Gender identity’ has replaced sexual identity in law. Therefore we are witnessing not a sexual revolution but a sexless revolution.

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      Apparently a lot of young people don’t identify themselves with just one gender ( well
      according to leftists) they need to explore ( don’t go there) and you can change it if you like too.
      I mean the whole God creating two genders is just so outdated to them.
      We even have a third now, apparently< I had to sign a form a while ago and it said
      male, female or other ???

      • This is what happens when a person forgets that his or her mind is ‘the mind of some body’ and instead thinks that his or her mind is prior to/ superior to his or her body.

        Sexual difference is what holds the ‘two-ness’ of identity in place – Male and Female. Abandon the body? Abandon sex. Abandon sex? Abandon sexual difference. Abandon sexual difference? Abandon two-ness. Given that ‘gender identity’ is subjective, it cannot be connected to a particular number. Thus the ‘two-ness’ of sexual identity is replaced not by, say, the three-ness of ‘gender identity’ but by the anything-ness of ‘gender identity’. There is no longer anything solid/objective to give human identity any shape.

        • Solage 1386

          What about polymorphous perversity? Does identity have a shape? Isn’t one-ness better than two-ness? What if someone fancies a threesome? In olden days a hint of stocking was looked on as something shocking–now, heaven knows, anything-ness goes.

  • stag

    I’m a male, white, heterosexual, middle class man.

    Join the revolution!!

    • Jess Rose

      You’ve had your fucking Pride march, it’s called Every Day of Your Sodding Life, wherein you do NOT face oppression and hatred on the basis of your sex and/or gender.

      • He does NOW, precious.

        • Sunshine Sux

          lol

      • stag

        Hated and oppressed? Sorry you feel that way. I wonder, though, whether in some cases it is not closer to self-hatred and insecurity, which then projects itself onto other people as oppression and hatred. Away from internet forums – which are home to all sorts of cruelty – I don’t think LGBT people in the UK in 2015 are victims of oppression and hatred on a daily basis. I just don’t.

        • Sunshine Sux

          I was at a dinner function once, and I sat next to a pair of lesbians in their 40’s, and I’m really very open minded when it comes to homosexuality, i believe in equal rights etc… Anyway, one of the 2 was so angry, it was uncomfortable for the entire table. Nobody attacked her, or her partner, quite the contrary, everybody was interested and polite, they did not stand out in any way, it was an artsy crowd, and she was just so confrontational and nasty. I think her partner even was a little embarrassed.
          That was my first encounter with an angry dike. Very unpleasant.

          • Sue Smith

            A collective yawn would have killed it stone dead.

          • Radley Cooledge

            Lesbians also have the highest rate of domestic violence, they tend not to be very nice people…

          • Solage 1386

            People in general are not very nice, I have found. Such is human nature.

          • stag

            Plagued by self-doubt and self-hatred, then projecting that onto the rest of the company and indeed the rest of the world.

            Of course, that’s not a comment on homosexual people in general, absolutely not. But I’ve seen it often enough to suspect that this attitude is not uncommon in the “gay community”.

          • Solage 1386

            One often finds that members of minority groups are somewhat paranoid.

          • KilowattTyler

            Is it my imagination or are lesbians far more filled with anger (or hatred) than gay men? Gay men seem to be far more willing to be sociable with straight men and women, whereas lesbians tend to retreat into glowering isolationism.
            In the past, gay men were imprisoned for acting on their sexuality (this was possible in the UK until 1967) whereas lesbians were not. In ISIL held territory, gay men are chucked off high buildings – as far as I know lesbians (at least per se) have not suffered the same fate. It would seem that gay men have more reason to be angry than lesbians.
            I suspect that as in the example you give, the anger is there to start with and the reason for it comes afterwards, i.e. the reverse of the normal pattern. Most people can *become* angry, but some people *are* angry. This pathological anger seems to be very common in those on the ‘Left’ (which nowadays means well-heeled members of the publically-funded nomenklatura – the Guardian is the inner sanctum for these people).

        • Solage 1386

          They aren’t. Jess Rose is lying.

        • VanLoos

          On the contrary, they are a highly privileged group of people. They may once have been unjustly oppressed but, now that the balance has swung in their favour, they don’t hesitate to assert their privileges. It is the world turned upside down where wrong has become right, what is abnormal has become normal, what is sordid has become wholesome. Except of course that this is all a lie. The Father of Lies has been very busy in our western societies.

      • PeteCW

        ” wherein you do NOT face oppression and hatred on the basis of your sex and/or gender”

        And yet you and your ilk very obviously hate with all your hearts white, heterosexual men. How odd that you can’t acknowledge your defining characteristic as a person..

      • Seán

        Whereas white, middle class, university-educated women like you are just so oppressed by the partiarchy, kyriarchy, or whatever the hell the latest thing that was made up just five minutes ago on Tumblr is, that you’ve managed to graduate and live overseas doing fuck-knows-what in some vague field of the arts. Face it, Jess, your shit stinks to high heaven. If it wasn’t for identity politics you’d stand revealed for what you are: yet another in an endless line of guilty white liberals gliding her way through life without touching the fucking sides. You’re in a state of such cognitive dissonance that you seek out others and displace your self-loathing onto them. That’s why you cleave to identity politics: it’s a way of deflecting the criticism that might otherwise come your way.

        If you truly cared about “oppression and hatred” you wouldn’t have supported vicariously, through the Liberal Democrats, one of the most repressive governments of recent times. If you truly cared about ending a system in which white men with ridiculous names intended to connote their lofty social status over the rest of us rise to the top then you wouldn’t have squeezed out one of your own. If you really cared you’d absent yourself from the conversation and allow somebody who is truly oppressed — a black man, a working class woman, anybody but you — to speak but the need to flap your mouth and hold dominion over the rest of us runs strong with the likes of you.

        Oh, one final thing: reading the posts which are publically available on your Facebook page does not qualify as stalking, doxxing or “invading your safe space,” although considering the truth never gets in the way of the social justice narrative, you probably could claim otherwise and pitch this to Comment Is Free for an easy £300.

      • 30characters

        Well you certainly seem to hate him on the basis of his sex.

      • Radley Cooledge

        So we don’t qualify for that lucrative victim card? based on what? Gender, race and sexuality. Apparently it is ok to judge someone based solely on these characteristics… now we know

      • vieuxceps2

        Oppression and hatred? Against you? I bet nobody even notices you.

      • Felixthecat

        Jesus, you really have some anger issues. I would advise you to combine sex with travel if you can’t keep it civil.

      • Terry “Death to Equality” Xu

        dumb comment jess

        men and majorities are supposed to be more privileged

    • Brogan75

      i’m with you

    • Frank Marker

      Good call! What could we be doing on the floats though? Practising our golf swings or something?

  • FF42

    You’re making this up, of course, and are actually a middle aged woman living on your own in a cottage somewhere with two cats.

    Most twenty-somethings that I know are boringly/charmingly conventional and rather better behaved than their parents.

  • Philsopinion

    Looks like pure narcissism.

  • Cheddarcakes

    Would one you fine gender conforming folk please escort me to a ‘safe space’ before I am triggered by any further Spectator articles

  • Precambrian

    They won’t be happy until all defintions are made useless and life reduced to emotions and urges.

  • The Dybbuk

    A very informative article which avoids most of the sneering that is associated with gender politics, my own included. Paradoxically I have commented on the Guardian asking for an explanation of the terms used to described the new gender fluidity and been moderated on each occasion, so thank you. One trivial point. I take it the actual physical side of sex is now secondary to the act of just being.

    • PeteCW

      “I take it the actual physical side of sex is now secondary to the act of just being.”

      Yes – these days it’s purely about moral superiority, virtue signalling and the narcissism of middle class identity politics. Perhaps if certain people were getting enough sex and cuddles, this stuff wouldn’t be so prevalent amongst the more hysterical fringes of left wing idiocy.

  • King Zog

    I’d never hit a genderqueer.

  • I pay attention to Wendy Shalit who is worth paying attention to.

  • Murti Bing

    So does this mean the that, after all, sexual orientation is merely a matter of choice based on a fleeting whim? If so, then what is the point of gay rights?

  • Nuahs87

    The Muslims will put an end to this in about 2050.

  • porcelaincheekbones

    It’s Tumblr’s fault. All this BS comes from there.

  • DallasBeaufort

    My penny black has just droped in value

  • The Great Satan™

    Women with tattoos on their arms and legs look hideous.

  • Phonetoholic

    Celebrity culture gone mad? I prefer American schoolgirl celibacy, so hot.

  • Cobbett

    One day these idiots will have to face reality…but it’ll probably be to late by then.

  • Ivan Ewan

    Sexism: presuming that if you don’t conform to a set of behavioral expectations, you must have been born wrong.

  • Ivan Ewan

    Oh, and did you know? I identify, and have always identified, as an F-15 Tomcat. You are all to refer to me as “it”, and to help pay for my NHS aeronautics reassignment therapy. Or else you’re all fascists.

    • Dominic Stockford

      I, more sensibly, have identified as a F15 Tomcat pilot, and require the funding to allow me to live out this identification. tee hee.

  • Andrew Cole

    Strange how all these up and comers have suddenly all decided they swing both ways. Cynic that I am I suspect that it is to garner more likes, followers and $$$. I await shagging elephants to become the latest ‘in’ thing and for the stars to proclaim they’ve been doing it for years.

  • “I see the best minds of their generation destroyed by jargon.”

    They’re not the best minds. Trust me, I’ve met them. They’re morons.

    • Jess Rose

      Shut up. My sibling is gender-queer and one of the brightest people I know. When you are all making these hateful comments, do you ever think of the real person on the receiving end? Why does it bother you all so much that some people do not fit into society’s narrow little boxes? I read the Spectator because I am a LIBERAL, what on earth are you people doing here?

      • Ghetto Muppet

        You’re as mixed up as your sibling. As a ”LIBERAL” (lefties and their labels, always amusing) you should probably read the left of centre New Statesman to reinforce your cultural prejudices and not a magazine owned by David and Frederick Barclay (also Daily Telegraph owners) which tends to be supportive of Conservative policies.

        As far as your sibling and others who identify as imaginary genders….how they identify is nothing to do with reality and everything to do with wishful thinking, narcissism and pointless posturing borne of left wing brainwashing. I hope your sibling gets the professional help they so obviously need.

        • Sean L

          But surely the Conservatives are left wing, if not as far left as Labour, more centre left. And none but the Conservatives are responsible for ‘gay marriage’ legislation.

          • Dominic Stockford

            They’re in the political centre at the moment, and morally liberal.

        • hobspawn

           “I hope your sibling gets the professional help they so obviously need.”

          Check your pronouns. Sibling –> he, not they.

          • vieuxceps2

            How do you know the sibling is a “he”?

          • hobspawn

            Check your privilege. You have no right to tell me how to use my pronouns. They are my words and mean what I mean them to. You don’t know what I mean by them because you are ignorant of the English language and the long history of the use of ‘he’ to refer to male and female together equally. Your use of the English language to express yourself here is a cultural appropriation from my culture and my ethnic group and it sickens me. You have no right to tell me that my use of ‘he’ doesn’t refer to the only two genders. You have offended me with your insensitivity and your racism. Please don’t contribute any more of your entitled bigotry here.

          • vieuxceps2

            Well done Hobby ! A superb parody of a Leftist rant.Oh how I laughed. Can’t wait for your next one….

          • hobspawn

            😉

      • Jeff S

        I wouldn’t worry. I’m not entirely sure that Mr. Muppet understands what the term liberal means, taking instead the nouveau definition the Americans have bastardised from it.

        While we’re at it, akin to this new definition of racism that is abound which uses a twisted formula to conclude that only white people can be racist.

      • Calm down dear

      • Always_Worth_Saying

        Spectator’s full of nonces these days, eg Johnathan King and ppl defending Ovenden.

  • “These days, people — particularly those in their teens and twenties — are declaring themselves ‘pansexual’, ‘genderfluid’ and ‘genderqueer,’”

    That should read…

    ‘These days, Marxists — particularly those in their teens and twenties — are declaring themselves ‘pansexual’, ‘genderfluid’ and ‘genderqueer,’

    • Texas Sunday Morning

      Good to have you back Dean. Was worried the space lizards had silenced you.

      • “Good to have you back Dean. Was worried the space lizards had silenced you.”

        It was tried twice back in the mid 80s, but the vehicular hit and run contract put out on me failed both times! Looks like God has plans for me!

  • Tamerlane

    It ain’t anything new, like everything in life it’s recycled, in this case 70s gunk with new labels.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    First date questions:
    -Are you straight, gay, or somewhere in between?
    -So what football team do you support?
    -Do you smoke (tobacco products)?
    -Are you religious (like Catholic, Muslim, any other crank cult)?
    -Do you have a tattoo?
    -Are you into whoring, bondage, anal sex, children?
    -Do you have a drinking problem?

    Is that the time, I’ll miss my bus.
    It’s wall-to-wall nutter out there.

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      Enough of your tips on chatting up teenage boys and girls on Facebook!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Why so edgy, baby doll?

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          Dirty nonce!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            You must feel totally humiliated, Jock. Some 12 years of asserting that I’m Japanese, and in print so it’s undeniable. Literally hundreds of times, plus other sundry libels made on zero evidence; as example causing death by dangerous driving, paedophile, and my all-time favourite, guard at a Japanese WWII PoW camp.
            Then, out of the blue reversing yourself; saying that I’m not Japanese after all (or Chinese or Korean or…), but in fact a resident abroad Brit. So what’s the explanation for this complete turnabout? If you’re right now, it follows that you’ve been wrong for the past 12 years. It must be so hard to live with yourself. I’m starting to suspect you get off on ritual humiliation; some type of masochist perhaps? Every time you look in the mirror there’s a lunatic staring back. Where are you going to go from here? More illogical, offensive assertion and insults, because essentially that’s all you’ve got left isn’t it?
            Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
            PhD graduate students in say physiology or related disciplines such as criminology are more than welcome to use these exchanges as a basis for their thesis. Be aware that Jock is not an isolated case, he is however an extreme one. A lot of Brits have these immature characteristics which cause them to strike out with illogical, childish insults when they feel they’ve been slighted. He is rare in that there are very few as deranged as him who possess literary skills.

          • EUSSR 4 All!

            Seek help, you pervert!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            You know your problem, Jock?
            You start with the conclusion and then work back to the evidence.

          • EUSSR 4 All!

            A.k.a. Thomism.

          • Solage 1386

            This technique occasionally works.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Lawyer?

          • Solage 1386

            No. Bog cleaner.

  • The indulgences of a decadent society.

    Nature makes men and women. The vast majority of them are directed by Nature to each other: men to women, women to men. It serves men better than women, I think, but that is Nature’s doing, not men’s.

    I’m not surprised that ‘trans’ people commit suicide. Their heads want looking at.

    • Radley Cooledge

      “It serves men better than women” – oh yeah? how many men out there do you think own houses they didn’t pay for?

      • Texas Sunday Morning

        Outside of the aristocratic class?

    • Always_Worth_Saying

      Interestingly It’s always presented as a body problem rather than a mind problem requiring ‘corrective’ sugery rather than psycotherapy. The drugs used are also part of the reason for the large numbef of suicides.

    • Bram

      Apart from the unfounded assertion that “it serves men better than women” I think you are correct. This whole fad strikes me, more than anything else, as extraordinarily narcissistic.

      • Not unfounded. Men have the better side of the bargain, in my opinion. You don’t have to share it — but then, you’re a man.

        • Sue Smith

          I also disagree that “it serves men better”. This is the sex which has gone to war, fought with other males over territory and food, carried the burden of having to find a mate (instead of the reverse), had to go out and hunt and gather the food and, up until the mid 20th century, was solely responsible for the economic welfare of the family. When that latter goes pear-shaped, the default position is to have all the children remain with the mother and the crumbs are left to the father – no matter how appalling the mothering is and how much a danger she poses for her children (my soon-to-be-ex daughter-in-law – who is psychotic!!).

          So, nuts to being a man (cough).

          • Passionately and well argued, Sue. I am not anti-man: all my favourite people have been men. It’s just that I think they are luckier, on balance (and there are times in human history when being male is deadly, but then I would not want to live in those times and places as a woman watching men felled, either).

            My point really, which I have expressed before so I apologize to any that have read it, is that what men have in the service of the species also tends — I do say ‘tends’ — to serve him as an individual; whereas women represent the compromise Nature has made for the sake of reproduction: what serves the species does NOT tend to serve her so well as an individual desirous of happiness. A timeless example is not only menstruation (an inconvenience to say the least) and menopause (ditto) but the stage of life the latter encompasses: what man is erotically cut off at the knees in such a fashion? A successful man can look at ripe young flesh and reasonably expect to found a family long after women have reached the No Exit sign. In short, a man can be a desirable lover to a larger and larger age group as he ages: for women the situation is exactly reversed, and this is not in her favour if her current partner disappoints.

            There are many other examples, but this one will do for now.

          • Radley Cooledge

            Isn’t that what they call penis envy?

          • I wouldn’t want a penis: it comes with a scrotum.

          • Sue Smith

            Really, what you describe is an evenly balanced form of biological retribution because having children when you’re old is definitely NOT a blessing, IMO. I take your point about (some) men being desirable when most women are not at a certain age (cough), but I remain unconvinced that women of a certain age wants these men anyway. As a friend of my late father once quipped, “I’ve buried one husband; I don’t want another child that I have to take care of”!

            Reaching the age of post-procreation is a huge relief, as is Menopause IMO. I have a sister who is 63 and very attractive. She’s in the ‘market’ and finds just as you’ve said – that men want younger women. Of the men she’s met her in own age group almost all have unreasonable expectations and, based on what they’ve been able to come up with (as it were), these were and are risible indeed. In short, few are still in the full flush!! Those with lots of cash are probably able to make women more tolerant, but I wouldn’t want to bet on it!! I like men too – and have had more male friendships over the years than female. Mostly of the platonic friendship variety, which always goes better and LASTS.

            A good discussion to have.

          • I wish you well, Sue. You’re a great girl, if I may say so. : )

          • vieuxceps2

            “Minority grievances” as you say have become such a factor in life today that we have lost sight of the democratic idea that it is the normal people whose views should hold sway. So concerned are we with avoiding hurt to minorities of every type that we even try to bend reality to suit these self-regarding misfits who constantly change the rules so as to keep in the limelight.Time to stop. Time to get back in the driving seat. Time for the media to end their encouragement of the sensitivities, real or imaginary, of the tribal, racial, religious , sexual, gender,political,mental and /or any other groupings and return to everyday commonsense living.Ignore ’em, they might even go away….

          • Sue Smith

            Absolutely brilliantly argued. Fully in agreement. Nice talking to you!!

          • vieuxceps2

            You flatter me, but thank you.

    • Sue Smith

      Funny and very apt! And, you know, if you actually took peoples’ heads off a lot of these problems would be solved.

  • Alex Williamson

    “We will make the west so corrupt that it stinks.”

    Willi Munzenburg.

  • Dominic Stockford

    All very sad, and the preponderance of new ‘titles’ for people is daft. Example:

    “If Miley is potentially attracted to men, women, trans and genderqueer people” then there is already a word for that, hedonism.

    • KilowattTyler

      Presumably Miley is a ‘quadrosexual’

      • I think she is an attention-seeker and needs to beware ending up like Whitney Houston.

    • MC73

      Well, ‘genderqueer’ is an entirely bogus concept and men who insist they are women and vice versa are deluded. So she’s bisexual.

      • I don’t even know what it means.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Hedonism – definition “the pursuit of pleasure; sensual self-indulgence.”

        Hedonist is the accurate description of such people.

    • Landphil

      Confused.

    • Narcissism works, as well, I think. Everyone else is her mirror….

  • Thor Alexander Michelsen

    Has nothing to do with sexuality this. Its a mix of decadence, extreeme narzisism and the fact everyone thinks theyre a special snowflake, and act out to be presented as that. Its all just riddiculous.

    • Solage 1386

      No two snowflakes are ever alike.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Physics should never have been dropped from the national curriculum.

  • Landphil

    What do you call a non-binary transgender person with one leg?

    • Sue Smith

      Hopping mad?

      • Landphil

        Peggy.

        • Sue Smith

          Heather McCartney?

    • Solage 1386

      A kunt.

  • TheEdgeLord

    Genderfluid, eh? We used to call them ‘College Lesbians’…

    • PeteCW

      I just remember how difficult genderfluid was to wash out of the duvet cover.

      • Landphil

        Try Flash – it’s what the old men in raincoats use.

        • Solage 1386

          Omo and Fairy Liquid are quite good too for removing spilt love juice.

  • WillG

    I think the dig divide is between those who want to talk about their sexual attitudes in every conversation, and the rest of us

  • Richard Eldritch

    I never went to Uni and I have questions. Can the NUS get you kicked out for not following their dictats? Are there any proper people who go to learn stuff that could result in an actual job? Can the NUS prevent others from forming rival unions that have a more pragmatic approach to life or even a right wing view?

    • Sue Smith

      “Proper people” wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a university. There are three types who can:

      . Those who are happy to “group think”;
      . Those who read independently and tell the group thinkers they won’t tolerate group think (me);
      . Those in faculties other than Arts and Social Sciences who want careers.

  • Sunshine Sux

    I’m as pro-gay as they come, I think they should be free to marry, free to adopt, free to to live just like heterosexual couples in long stable loving relationships. Or just sh@g a bit when they’re young, also like hetero couples.

    But when I see ‘Queers for Palestine’, I wish that’s where they’d fuck off to: Gaza, and talk about tolerance for homosexuality there.

    • Sue Smith

      Bravo!

    • Landphil

      I’m pro gay as they’re coming round the mountain.

      • There is quite a lot of coming in that song. But when you’re driving up one that’s not what you’re thinking.

    • Solage 1386

      The Queers for Palestine will all be tossed off by the Jidaddies. Dangle not lest ye be dangled.

      • Donafugata

        Queers for Palestine want to be tossed off before they are tossed off.

  • Lots of unhappy young persons out there stumbling on the threshold of adulthood and like most young people behaving in a daft manner. Just hope there is a way out that makes them happy as they mature. Go on Tumblr – you will find people identifying as all kinds of things on there – from toast to furniture, animals to plumbing. My children find it hilarious, while respecting trans etc. My son suggested I become one of England’s stately lesbians, but I have to tell him I am 100% heterosexual. He is a little puzzled by this, but it is entirely true, however inconvenient. I meet many more interesting attractive women my age than I do men, but sadly all I want to do is talk to them.

    • Solage 1386

      A stately homo?

  • jmshigham

    Agree with Josa and go further – really quite sick.

  • KilowattTyler

    A ‘Viz’ joke, but relevant here:
    “I’ve started to fancy ‘Wee Jimmy Krankie’ [played by Janette Tough] – does that make me gay, straight or a paedophile?”

    • alleagra

      And then there’s the plastic surgeon faced with a client “So which sex do you want to be?”

      • KilowattTyler

        If there are more than two genders is it now possible to be ‘trisexual’? Or even ‘infinitosexual’?

        • Solage 1386

          Trisexuals will tri anything, at least once. And how about ass-exuals? What’s that all about?

          • vieuxceps2

            The world is in a mess,mostly because of ove-population.Why dont we all ,everywhere, give up sex and learn makrame.?

          • Solage 1386

            Or jerk ourselves off…….

          • vieuxceps2

            Chacun a son gout…..

      • Sue Smith

        Shouldn’t that be, “Visa or American Express?”!

      • Solage 1386

        Plastic Sturgeon? I’ve heard she has a ginger sporran between her legs and enjoys tossing Salmond’s caber, the dirty cow. These Scots are truly depraved!

    • Solage 1386

      Knickerless Sturgeon looks like Wee Jimmy Krankie.

  • right1_left1

    I am currently applying for a lottery/government grant to setup my new organisation
    IiM_Fi
    If it moves fuck it

    Hate filled homophobes fail to recognise the need for my little group but we liberated sophisticates know better.
    We all have an ‘ology and know that hundreds of years of restraint was a nasty oppressive plot.

    • greencoat

      So your balls are making the call, or your fanny is getting canny.

  • MC73

    Attempted suicide figures for trans people should not be a surprise. I imagine the numbers are similar for other sufferers of mental illness.

    • Sue Smith

      Suicide attempts are very nearly a career move these days!! Mandatory. Come on now, what self respecting person hasn’t got “issues” on his/her CV? Mental illness, trans gender, same-sex married, persecuted minority. You know it makes sense!

      And there are genuine cases of attempted suicide – always have been – but not in the epidemic proportions reported these days!! When I was teaching I grew so bored with hearing about students, “cutting…self-harming”. You know what? Many of them were sheep who really wanted attention and knew how to get it!!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Good career move, E;vis.

      • Solage 1386

        The more students who commit suicide, the better.

    • MC73

      Incidentally this is a serious point, not trolling. People can f*** who they want, dress as they want and live as they want. But a man who thinks he is a woman (for example), despite the evidence of his genitalia and chromosomes, is clearly deluded. It is appalling that the medical ‘solution’ to this is genital mutilation of the most extreme kind.

      • vieuxceps2

        We human beings have always been interested in sex for the pleasure it gives and coincidentally for the babies it brings,but today we are so obsessed with sex that I question our sanity. Is there no more to find at university than ever more bizarre contortions of the instinct? Sjhag on by all means,but remember the mind as well.

  • Hamburger

    Perhaps they should try to be interesting instead.

  • MacGuffin

    I can guarantee you that virtually no one outside of arts departments at second- and third-rate universities is ‘performing gender fluidity’ and all that. Tempest, meet teapot.

    • Sue Smith

      Cup, ball….ball, cup!

  • Jonathan Clark

    the wright brothers were BY FAR the most exciting thing to come out of dayton ohio.

  • Sue Smith

    MORE narcissism!! It’s just, really, all about ME, ME, ME and ME.

  • greencoat

    Enough with the self-indulgent crap.

  • monsieur_charlie

    Very interesting! But will it get them on the housing ladder?

  • LIBERALSKILLUNBORNBABIES

    WHO CARES… THEY WILL GET THE AIDS/HIV VIRUS AND THE NORMAL PEOPLE WILL LUGH THEIR ASS OFF….. LOL… LOL… LOL…

    • Solage 1386

      You should have been aborted. You would be better unborn.

  • EF

    Sadly people with mental illness are the ones who attempt suicide. Surely the fact that 48% of trans people under 26 attempt suicide can be attributed to their mental illness as much as anything

  • outlawState

    To imagine that you can define your own gender is the ultimate expression of contempt for your creator. “Why did you create me like this” is not a valid question or point of contention, as Roms 9;20 makes clear.

    • Solage 1386

      The Creator is a kunt.

  • KilowattTyler

    Just down the road from me is a house with a garden full of small concrete ornaments.
    I suspect that the owner is a gnomosexual.

    • Donafugata

      Very good, many thanks for making me laugh.

  • rtj1211

    What you need to distinguish totally between are the sordid fantasies of freaks in the media and the sexual preferences of ordinary men and women in the middle.

    The whole responsibility for casting women as size zero waif-like models comes from women in the media and a small number of men who are either homosexual (and therefore would like women to look like teenage boys) or close to it. I know hardly any men whose preference for women involves the hatred of curves where women are biologically designed to have curves (they like women with noticeable, sometimes sizeable mammaries; they like women who have soft inner thighs made up of fat (shock horror!), they like women with child-bearing hips and shapely backsides).

    Of course, if women hate men who might like to breed with them, then none of that matters.

    But why women ever take any notice of bitchy media fashionistas and male queers who tell women what clothes to wear is ridiculous.

    Time to promote equality for lusty, horny, heterosexual male fashion designers who think 36-25-36 is what they want to bed regularly, joyfully, repeatedly and procreationally…….

    Perish the thought that they might also be white, religious or sporty……

    • MacGuffin

      Oh, the old ‘gay male designers are forcing adult women to dress like teenage boys’ chestnut! It’s been a while since I’ve heard that old codswallop. Where does one begin? *sigh*

    • aspeckofboggart

      Hugh, Toby thinks your parties boring.

    • Solage 1386

      Have you ever thought of buying yourself a rubber doll?

      • Inflating one to those measurements should be good cardiovascular exercise!

        • Solage 1386

          It’s best to use a bicycle pump. And a puncture outfit is essential.

          • I’m all set, then. I’ve got a bicycle pump (for some reason, as the last one I owned was stationary) and a pump for a Swiss ball. Obviously I’ve been using them for the wrong purposes. A blow-up Six Million Dollar Man: now there’s a Christmas present!

          • Solage 1386

            If you accidentally puncture it, it might fly around your room like a deflating balloon with you still attached to its appendage! The same thing once happened to my great-aunt Sally……She ended up dangling from the ceiling with her knickers round her ankles, much to the dismay of her house guests…..

          • Cackle!

    • and shapely backsides
      You rang?

  • VanLoos

    I sometimes have the impression of living in a lunatic asyslum when such idiocies as described above are taken seriously. We may not be happy with the gender we are assigned by our biological features but we cannot change it. We should try to accept it rather than force the world (the rest of us) to accept our own fantasies about ourselves.

    • vieuxceps2

      Yes, there does seem to be a wide streak of narcissism in this”pansexualism”. isn’t it simply selfishness? “I” will be today what “I”want to be, and “you” will treat me as the “I” of today! Tomrrrow? Well,I’ve not decided yet…..

      • Tellytubby

        Its a childish notion. Like they’ve never been disabused from the idea that “you can be whatever you want to be” like their mummy told them. Sure. You can. In your own mind. But that is disconnected from reality so if you believe that you are, by definition, deluded. I question deluded peoples ability to reach proper judgments on other issues to be frank even it if ain’t quite politic to say so.

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    Too much choice?

  • Solage 1386

    People who define themselves, or others, by their “sexuality” are f–king idiots. I am a monosexual.

    • MacGuffin

      Monosexual – does that mean you only have sex with yourself?

      • Solage 1386

        Probably. I was rushed to hospital last week covered in self-inflicted love-bites.

        • MacGuffin

          I would suggest setting the Dyson to ‘Low’ to avoid these mishaps.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Scarey Movie, right?

          • MacGuffin

            What on earth are you talking about? You’re not one of those sad cases that needs to relate everything to something in pop culture, are you?

      • Bertie

        No it means they’re attracted to only one sex – either just women, or just men.
        Learn to use a dictionary rather than being pointlessly facetious!

    • Fulgentian

      Um, aren’t you calling yourself an idiot then?

  • Dogsnob

    St Vincent ditched Cara recently.

  • mumble

    I feel nervous that the word “transsexual” does not appear.

    During the Suzanne Moore/Brazilian transsexual Twitterstorm, a feminist (or possibly a radfem) told me that the word “transsexual” is hate speech, but the phrase “transsexual person” is not.

    And, with respect to several other things, which I forget, “Feminists do; radfems don’t”, or vice versa.

    It’s a minefield, I tell you, a minefield.

  • mumble

    Some lesbians disapprove, arguing that sexual orientation is not something you can take on and off like a shirt…

    I wonder if these lesbians disapprove of being lectured on sexual orientation.

    • anonuk

      Most lesbians are ultra-fems who disapprove of anything said by a man.

  • mumble

    A few years ago, I read a story about an academic researcher in this area who was well regarded by the LGBT+ community until he announced that, scientifically, LG and B were sexualities, but T was a fetish, whereupon he was buried in hating denunciation.

    The question of what scientifically distinguishes a sexuality from a fetish is left to the reader as an exercise.

  • Retired Nurse

    Are some lesbians as crap in bed as some male heterosexuals? And if so, do they insult them by mocking the size of their strap ons?

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    When you stand back far enough to see the wood from the trees, you realise that over the last 100 years or so, a massive industry has grown up around recreational fornication, while at the same time side-stepping the original purpose, namely procreation. Consider the effort and more significantly, the cost that men and women put into ingratiating themselves with the opposite sex (whatever that is these days).
    Go on, list up all the costs and effort that women go to in order to put themselves on stage. And it’s not like the end result is an increase in the birth rate, rather the opposite. 

This is an insanity that afflicts not just first world, advanced capitalist countries, the impoverished third world is busting to get in on the act. 

Women must be so insecure and lacking in confidence to go to all this effort.


    “Pretty, sexy, a bit of all right in bed, but T H I C K ! In fact, so mind-numbingly stupid, she literally doesn’t know what she doesn’t know.” Well, it’s high time this type of woman in the west was no longer guaranteed a free ride. Because eventually guys, something akin to reality is going to kick in. Grafting for some 40 years in order to keep a depreciating asset like that in the manner to which she’d like to become accustomed? Gimme a break. If she hasn’t got real skills and accomplishments, walk away from the honey trap while you still can.


    And they call me a male chauvinist.


    Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
    This is the type of comment that gets you banned from the Guardian.

    • aspeckofboggart

      “If she hasn’t got real skills and accomplishments, walk away….”

      And you wonder why women ingratiate?

    • Solage 1386

      Do YOU have any skills? If so, what are they, exactly? What do YOU have to offer the modern discerning female? Remember, women these days can afford to be rather more choosy than hitherto…….

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Raising your prices in a buyers’ market is hardly the smartest move.

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          What are you on about?! You are a mid-40 unemployed (and divorced) British expat alcoholic, drug addict and schizophrenic “living large” (yeah, right!) somewhere in Japan!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            New username. Same BS.

          • EUSSR 4 All!

            And you are also a half-Irish half-Smoggie, half-Mackem from Billingham, near Hartlepool!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Don’t you have a minimum sanity requirement, Spectator?

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      “Depreciating asset” … I wish your local Japanese Dole office would also adopt the same attitude with regards to you (and your claim on the Japanese Dole)!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        What’s it to you, Sunshine? Butt out and mind your own business. You know less than half of FA. Have you no shame, or do you get off on ritual humiliation? Unlike YUCK, claiming unemployment benefit is particularly difficult even for Japanese. For non-Japanese, borderline impossible.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          Well, I know you are, so let’s leave it at that!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Be advised, Jock McNutter is a lying piece of $hit.

          • EUSSR 4 All!

            I shall take this as an admission! Now, sign here, please!

    • Sausage McGuffin

      I got banned for something far milder indeed I’m not quite sure why I was banned at all.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Perhaps it was something you said.

      • EUSSR 4 All!

        Discussion relationships on the Grauniad at all probably shows a great deal of emotional immaturity really!

    • Teacher

      “Grafting for some 40 years in order to keep a depreciating asset like that in the manner to which she’d like to become accustomed? Gimme a break.”

      After 40 years I don’t imagine an man would be in good nick either. Maybe and a woman after all that time together might behave well and look after one another. You seem very bitter about male/female relations Mr Jackthesmilingblack. Perhaps you just didn’t meet a nice partner. My other half and I celebrated our 36th wedding anniversary yesterday and we couldn’t be happier. If you treat others well they will respond in kind.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Just not into White women. There’s a lot of it about.

  • john

    The plumbing says its man or woman dumb asses.

  • kuffir

    I wonder whether there will be any safe spaces for these multi-sexuals once they are outnumbered by welfare-Muslims.

  • sigh the only thing that can save the west from depraved socialist and cultural Marxist is war, full scale bloody war. When wars come, men know their place and women know theirs and the trans-sickos will also no theirs. The West is merely a fat obese self-indulged man awaiting a heart attack.

    • Donafugata

      If the cultural Marxists get their way with open door immigration the country will soon be under sharia law which will put a stop to pick ‘n’ mix sexuality.

    • Minstrel Boy

      Vesta Tilley, a male impersonator, earned the equivalent of £20,000 per week topping the bill at the Blackpool Grand Theatre, before, during, and after World War 1. Next below her in billing was a male comedian earning the equivalent of £3,000.
      Tilley’s top act was impersonating camp toffs and patriotic soldier boys. She was hailed by the Establishment fro speeding ‘glum heroes up the line to death’ and for promoting the issue of white feathers to real men who were reluctant to die in the trenches.
      Vita Sackville-West spent much of World war 1 impersonating a wounded British officer while cavorting with her lover, Violet Keppel, in Sapphic love trysts in southern France.
      No one ever seems to have pointed out the shameful irony of their lifestyles and contrasted it with the horrors faced by real male soldiers. But then, most women do NOT have any sense of personal shame.
      War may well bring changes, but chancers and fakers will still abound. Indeed deception is probably the first rule in war.

  • JohnnyCuredents

    The mental illness that is liberalism marches on unimpeded.

  • styants64

    The Western World is acting out the Roman Empire when it hit it’s downward to destruction spiral.

    • Frank Marker

      Who will be the visigoths this time around, I wonder?

      • styants64

        Could be the invaders from the east that worship under the sign of the crescent moon.

  • Donafugata

    Pansexual, how terribly clever.

    This is just a fancy way of saying ‘I am promiscuous and will do it with anybody’.

    • Minstrel Boy

      I prefer tri-sexual! When I asked what it was, my local vicar said it meant he’d try anything sexual. Very liberated. Should go far in the cloth.

  • AlbertaProud

    So much hyperventilating. A bit of perspective, perhaps?

    On one hand, we’re seeing a refreshing and welcome breakdown of expectations that both genders have suffered since time immemorial. Today’s men can cry, today’s ladies can repair engines, with much less fear of being criticized for it. Any shift toward honesty with (and about) ourselves is a good thing.

    On the other hand, some (invariably young) folks are navigating a minefield of silly terminology that will prove harmless in the long run. Youth is a time for openness and experimentation. When the urge to have a family kicks in, they will decide what’s important to them, and their choice will be more meaningful because they’ve been free to decide, rather than forced into their parents’ lifestyle for lack of options. Of all the folks I knew who claimed to be gay (or trans or whatever) in school, most are now married with kids. The few still claiming to be gay are honestly so, and they are a vanishingly small minority – worth learning enough about to treat with respect, but hardly a sign of the end times.

    This is not a revolution, or a threat, or a sickness. It’s simply a symptom of young people trying to break down taboos. ‘Twas always thus.

    • Mr Grumpy

      But as fast as they break down taboos they set up new ones (’twas always thus?). And I suspect there’s a lot of fear underlying all this. It’s social death to be accused of x-ophobia, but you can insure yourself by announcing that you’re partial to a bit of x yourself. Identify as pansexual and you’re covered against everything.

  • Felixthecat

    “These days, people — particularly those in their teens and twenties — are declaring themselves ‘pansexual’, ‘genderfluid’ and ‘genderqueer,’ ” no they dont, these people thankfully largely only exist in a tiny self-referential World .

  • Grace Ironwood

    Trendoids.

  • Trofim

    I’m from the large post-sexual minority, and we have no support network.

  • John Hawkins Totnes

    If this is what the bright and beautiful think and do, what hope is there for us stupid and ugly folk? I suppose if your hedonistic life style is built on a foundation of hubris you are bound to be buggered up. Is there a case for sexual restraint, for chastity and does virgin mean anything more than a crap train service?

  • Frank Marker

    I always find genderfluid cleans up my toilet basin wonderfully well.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Virtue-signalling by faking an unbounded sexual appetite. What a very strange world the young folks live in.

    As a matter of interest, does pansexual include kids? Surely a misnomer if not.

  • Jonathan Tedd

    I’m off to have a strapadicktomy…NHS are paying!

  • marvin

    Boring people who have lost the public’s interest – attempting to revitalise their self image and failing miserably!

    As for the two examples of transgenders – what a clanger! Caitlyn Jenner and Kellie Maloney, both previously sportsman who have admitted using steroids. The side effect of such drugs is to enhance the production of female hormones in the users body!

  • Sigfridiii

    As Woody Allen once said, go bisexual and it doubles your chance of a date on Saturday night. All very well if copulation is all you care about.

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