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14 November 2015

9:00 AM

14 November 2015

9:00 AM

Some months back, head of government duties meant that I had to decline an invitation to give the Thatcher lecture in London to commemorate one of Britain’s greatest ever prime ministers. Some weeks ago, noticing that I had more time on my hands, the organisers renewed their invitation. I was very pleased to accept.

What was it that made Margaret Thatcher a great leader? Successful leaders need judgment, temperament, energy, self-belief – and, the quality that Napoleon valued above all in his generals, luck. Three years into her prime ministership, Thatcher was deeply unpopular for refusing to bail out failing companies and was openly defied by senior members of her cabinet; but Providence gave her two spectacular opportunities to demonstrate her mettle: in 1982 she despatched an expedition that liberated the Falkland Islands from Argentine invasion; and, in her second term, she stared down a coal miners’ strike designed to show that unions were more powerful than government. Along the way, particularly by selling council houses to their tenants, she helped to resurrect the entrepreneurial spirit that has once more made Britain the most dynamic economy in Europe. She set the gold standard for strong leadership based on clear convictions.

My challenge was to say something worthy of her. It had to be an issue of consequence and it had to be a subject where I had standing – so perhaps unsurprisingly, I spoke of the challenge of illegal migration that Europe is struggling with but that Australia, at least for the moment, has largely solved. No one should underestimate Australia’s achievement here. In the month of July 2013 alone, scarcely two years ago, more than 4,000 boat people arrived in Australia. Illegal arrivals were then running at the rate of 50,000 a year and rising fast. This time, even the principal authors of the policies that had previously stopped the boats after 2001 believed that the situation was too-far-out-of-control to be fixed. But fix it my government did. To the Howard government’s policies we added the preparedness to send people back in orange life boats where people smugglers had scuttled their vessels. As soon as the people smugglers and their customers realised that putting to sea would simply bring them back to Indonesia many thousands of dollars poorer, the trade stopped – and so did the drownings, which is why stopping the boats was the only truly compassionate thing to do.

For a couple of years now, thousands of people a month have been coming by boat from Libya to Italy; and over the past few months, new routes have opened by land from Turkey and by sea to Greece with illegal arrivals now approaching a million a year. Even larger numbers are in prospect as long as Europe takes the view that ‘if you can get here, you can stay here’. Hence, I respectfully advised Europe, based on our own experience as the only country so far to have defeated the people smugglers, to turn boats around, for people coming by sea; to deny entry at the border, for people with no legal right to come; and to establish camps in countries other than their preferred destination, for people who currently have nowhere else to go. This, I said, would ‘require some force; it will require massive logistics and expense; it will gnaw at our consciences – yet it is the only way to prevent a tide of humanity surging through Europe and quite possibly changing it forever’. In any morality contest, preventing hundreds of deaths at sea surely justifies robust measures to prevent people smuggling. Amidst carping from the usual suspects, gratifyingly, the UK Spectator editorialised that ‘Abbott (had) explained what so few European policy makers seem able to grasp’

While in Britain, I caught up with Sir Michael Hintze, perhaps the most successful Australian businessman in London; Alexander Downer, who’s hugely enjoying a second stint of public service; Rupert Murdoch, who arguably has had more impact on the wider world than any other living Australian; Tony Blair, by far British Labour’s most electorally successful prime minister; and Prime Minister David Cameron who’s still savouring his against-the-polls win in this year’s election, assisted by our very own strategist Lynton Crosby.

In Australia, Cameron is mostly portrayed as the conservative who supports gay marriage and takes climate change seriously but his real strength has been successful social and economic reform. So far, his government has transformed education by, in effect, privatising public schools; tackled the culture of welfare by ensuring that people are always better off in work than out of it; and halved the deficit inherited from Labour. His election victory depended on the relentless campaign contrast of order under the conservatives versus chaos under Labour. Yet his government’s latest measure to rein in spending – reducing tax credits for the low income workers while increasing the minimum wage – has been rejected in the House of Lords. It shows how carefully even politically ascendant conservatives have to tread.

Prime Minister Cameron is looking forward to meeting his new Australian counterpart. As a potential reformer, Malcolm Turnbull has the advantage of being relatively unbound by previous commitments but still faces the problem of how to deal with the ‘no one can be worse off’ mindset that makes serious reform so hard. Changing the tax burden from income to spending makes sense but only if overall taxes become lower, simpler and fairer. The real challenge, in Australia as in Britain, is how responsibly to spend less on short-term consumption and more on long-term investment in infrastructure and national security. How, in short, can government best foster the economic growth that makes everything else so much easier? That always makes for a good conversation between conservative leaders.

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  • NutmegJunkie

    50 000 people migrated to just Perth alone last year from other parts of Australia. Why should I be frightened of a mere 50 000 people coming to Australia from OS? Tony, mate, you sound as if you’re going to brick yourself. Harden up.

    • mohdanga

      Hmm, absolutely no difference between an Australian citizen, presumably able bodied and educated, moving from one part of Australia to another, and a fake ‘refugee’ coming in and demanding everything while contributing nothing, and self segregating.

      • NutmegJunkie

        Over one third of Australians have a self inflicted chronic illness. So much for able bodied and educated. More like fat, lazy and stupid.

        Don’t expect these fellas risking life and limb to get here to sit around doing nothing with their lives… and really, that is what it boils down to: their grit and determination makes you look bad. Like others of your stripe, you simply can’t stand it.

        • Mark

          I don’t drink, I don’t watch TV, I work hard, I respect the Law of Australia (btw not the “sharia law”), and I expect immigrants to do the same, starting with the immigration laws. You call me stupid, you better cure your illiteracy by reading the today’s newspapers around the world before insulting Australians.

        • mohdanga

          Hmm, post secondary education, CA, 25+ years experience in accounting and finance…sounds like I just sit around all day.
          If Australians are lazy, fat, and stupid and do nothing all day except watch TV, guzzle beer, and whinge, how is it that the country is so attractive to these go-getting immigrants and fake refugees who can’t wait to get here? Wouldn’t they be better off in their native countries, being that they are so smart and all?

  • Lachlan R. Dale

    I’m so glad that Mr. Abbott has had the foresight to solve the global refugee crisis (namely an oversupply of refugees and conflict, and an undersupply of aid, medical care and dignity for those forced to flee their homes).

    How did any of his policies in government leave the 50 million refugees around the world better off?

    That he continues to frame such an enormous issue in such short-sighted and inward-looking terms astounds me. It surely cannot be that he does not grasp the entirety of the problem. I believe he is simply too scared to provide the whole context and openly say what he believes: that the wealthy nations of the world have no obligation to meaningfully assist those suffering war, persecution and global inequality; that the notion of Christian charity should not extend beyond national borders.

    • E.I.Cronin

      That’s an immature, vicious assumption based on nothing but your own contempt. Tony was addressing the colonisation of Europe by a tide of Muslims and Africans. Destroying your culture, your safety and your economy out of pathological altruism is not going to save 50 million refugees. This endless disaster has to be treated at it’s source and in the surrounding regions.

      Stupidity and Vanity dressed up as Compassion has never had such an astronomical price tag thanks to the ALP and the Greens. You have no moral authority on this issue at all.

      If you voted for either you are responsible for resurrecting a corrupt people-smuggling trade that was effectively resolved by Howards Pacific Solution for $85 million a year. Rudd and Gillard dismantled it, lured primarily economic migrants to fly to Indonesia, deliberately dispose of their documentation and pay sleazy, callous people-smugglers to ship them over in leaky vessels. 1200 people drowned. The cost of processing and patrolling ballooned up to 10.1 BILLION over the 3 years of their ineptitude.

      How many refugees fleeing war, persecution and global inequality could have been addressed with just a tenth of that squandered sum. How much?? Give me an answer? How dare you criticise conservatives when the Left pissed a gargantuan sum of money into the Pacific over a corrupt trade that was deliberately allowed to resume!

      If you dare answer me the first question you need to address is HOW MUCH AID 1 BILLION dollars could have supplied if the ALP didn’t pour it over the heads of 50,000 illegal migrants.

      I’m waiting…

      • E.I.Cronin

        ps while you’re at it you can also calculate how much medical aid to the developing world or refugee crisis could have been supplied by:

        1) the $630 million we were forced to spend on new megadata retention from 2014-2015 in order to monitor the jihadist threat from a 2.5% ethnic and religious minority.

        2) the $450 million Rudd spent on consultants during his first term in office.

        3) for good measure add the combined bills for ARTS GRANTS Funding and the useless Human Right Commission as well during Rudd and Gillard’s terms.


        I’m waiting…

        • mohdanga

          You forgot to add the fact that the filthy rich, Muslim oil sheikdoms in the Middle East have done NOTHING to help their Muslim brethren. Somehow, it’s all the West’s responsibility and fault!! The West is supposed to (according to the left) “keep our noses our of others’ business” and then on the other hand be the sole party responsible for funding an invasion which will destroy our countries!

          • E.I.Cronin

            Exactly mate. The double standards are grotesque!

            Ps hope Trudeau isn’t doing too much damage.

      • NutmegJunkie

        Some ragged looking black folks turn up looking for scraps and this guys freaks out because he thinks Europe is being colonized. Paranoid much?

        The rest of us aren’t scared stiff like you. Harden up mate.

        • E.I.Cronin

          Paris looks nice this time of year… Delusional hypocrite much Nutmeg?

          We’re not scared – we’re angry. Angry at your unbelievable stupidity, hypocrisy and despicable capacity for looking the other way while atrocity after atrocity occurs. Angry that your support for destructive immigration and multicultural policies requires a multi-billion dollar security agency industry to protect British people from what is now happening in France. Closer to home – Bembrika was planning 1k casualties at the Melbourne Grand Final. Diversity is beautiful isn’t it – especially when other’s may have to pay the heavy cost of your reality-transcending, wilful ignorance.

          Get your head out the sand. London 2011 census. Towns across the north of England now majority ethnic communities, many such as Dewsbury almost entirely Islamic. 3 million in Britain. 7 million in France. How many in Germany?

          • NutmegJunkie

            What frightened little bub you are.

          • Mark

            Junkie, I see how “hearted” you are in regards to your Gran. With a grandson like that, who needs enemies???

          • E.I.Cronin

            Typical. No facts, stats or events – just vague, idiotic slurs.

        • E.I.Cronin

          ps Lachlan hasn’t answered – you answer my question. How many ”scraps” could we have thrown to the ‘ragged black folks” as you say it with the astronomical sum squandered by the ALP and Greens.

          How much?

          Harden up! Show some gumption. Answer me mate. How much good in the world could 10.1 billion have achieved?

          I’m waiting…

          • Lachlan R. Dale


            How flattered I am that you think so often of me. It is cute to think that you believe I have somehow been silenced by your towering intellect. I am a busy man.

            I do apologise for that snaky opening, but while our perspectives seem so removed that they might be irreconcilable, as allegedly rational, functioning humans having a respectful dialog is least we can do.

            Partisan politics – where people unreflectively follow political parties like football teams – are a huge drain on the power of democracy. I am not a follower or fan of any party, so let’s get that clear before we continue. Attempting to tie me to the ALP or the Greens is fruitless.

            My assertion regarding Mr. Abbott comes from the observation that he has never cared to discuss, explain or reflect upon the global refugee crisis; that he has never demonstrated any serious concern in policy or comment for the plight of refugees.

            If you think I am mistaken in this, I’d love to see some examples.

            I recall Abbott’s fixation with “jumping the queue” early in his tenure. On initial impression this seems a fair comment, until one actually considers the lack of ‘legitimate’ means to seek asylum in the South East Asian region.

            Very few UNHCR refugee/asylum camps exist in the region. Resettlement rates are incredibly low. Conditions are terrible. The camps are continually underfunded and understaffed. Disease is rife. Asylum seekers and refugees suffer terrible human rights violations – assault, rape, extortion; it all goes on.

            Abbott chose over and over again to focus on closing the path to Australia via boat (which, mind you, I don’t particularly disagree with) while never supporting or enhancing the capacity of the UNHCR to provide care or services to refugees. He simply refused to acknowledge the issue existed, and framed the issue of refugees in incredibly inward-looking terms.

            Quite simply, countries could provide increased support to refugee camps in border regions near source countries – and yet this notion is never discussed. Instead, the UNHCR begs for funding while report after report on the crushing camp conditions and inadequate response from the international community are ignored.

            I do not advocate open borders. I do not even advocate mass intake of refugees; but I do point that Abbott lowered Australia’s refugee intake from 20,000 to a paltry 13,500. These are not big numbers, and certainly I do not think the balance is quite right.

            May I inquire what you think happens to the refugees who remain behind in camps in Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, Kenya (etc)? Are they magically free from the intense dangers and suffering that plague refugees across the world: lack of food, water, security; issues of disease and violence. The plight of refugees is well documented. How is it that you can suggest that by ‘stopping the boats’ the humanitarian tragedy suddenly evaporates?

            I’m not sure I agree with this bizarre idea that those billions would have gone towards foreign aid or support of refugees in the international community if it were not spent on ‘stopping the boats’. Abbott tenure saw an intense slashing of foreign aid, particularly to African nations. The idea that he would have suddenly assign large sums of cash to improving the UNHCR or other nation’s capacity to aid refugees is laughable – and I do stand by my assertion that Abbott likely believed Australia has limited obligations in regards to assisting the international community.

            Simply put: your hypothetical is beyond fanciful.

            I do know, however, that Morrison and Abbott were instrumental in helping close up Myanmar’s borders while the mass slaughter (and potential genocide) of the Rohingya were taking place. Oh, and that Abbott was more than happy to block accountability for ethnic cleansing in Sri Lanka for his own gain. These actions do not agree with me in the slightest – and have no connection with your obsession with mass Muslim immigration.

            On my end it is too early to comment on the tragedy currently unfolding in France – I have not yet read enough.

            I do remember the last terrorist attack in France came from Algerians; you know, the country that France brutally repressed for many, many years as part of it’s empire. Robert Fisk pulled together an incredible piece that looks into the historical and social context:


            To fail to acknowledge these historical context is silly. Western powers have been so heavily involved in destabilising Middle Eastern nations for the last century. It’s so difficult to pull back the lens that far, but one can acknowledge things are more complicated than they seem.

            To end, I can merely point back to the fact I do not advocate open borders, so your tirades about mass Muslim immigration are misplaced.

          • Lachlan R. Dale

            I might add that I will be quite impressed if you can address my points with civility and intelligence =)

          • Mark

            Why Australia should care for illegal undocumented boat people who dared to pay thousands to smugglers to come to Australia, while there are millions of perfectly good people waiting their turn in refugee camps around the World???? Among the undocumented comes the vermin of terrorism…
            That was precisely Abbott’s point, he always put things in this perspective. You haven’t read anything of what Abbott wrote, obviously…

          • Lachlan R. Dale

            You didn’t really engage with any of the points I raised, so I’m afraid I’m unable to reply.

          • Mark

            “My assertion regarding Mr. Abbott comes from the observation that he has never cared to discuss, explain or reflect upon the global refugee crisis”

            Several times I heard Abbott mentioning refugees around the world being displaced by queue jumpers. Besides, Abbott tried to address this problem by attacking the cause, not the effect. Hence there are Australian pilots flying over Syria and Iraq. This is a shared effort, even Jordan and other Countries are contributing to this effort. Australia cannot house 50 million of displaced people. Do you know?

          • E.I.Cronin

            You haven’t answered my question and I suspect you won’t. The lion’s share of your post is devoted to refuting a ‘point’ that I never made. And excuse me princess, but I’m a busy man too 🙂

            ”I’m not sure I agree with this bizarre idea that those billions would have gone towards foreign aid or support of refugees in the international community if it were not spent on ‘stopping the boats.”

            1) It was Rudd and Gillard and their 11 failed policies who spent 10.3 Billion on letting the boats IN!. Not the Coalition!

            I’m not talking about Operation Soverign Borders at all.

            ”Quite simply, countries could provide increased support to refugee camps in border regions near source countries – and yet this notion is never discussed.”

            2) So now you agree with me? This is exactly what I mentioned in my first response to you. Sneaky fellow.

            The Greens in particular are heavily associated with the refugee advocate industry which makes their reckless support for dismantling the Pacific Solution so unbelievably immoral. If it hadn’t been for Morrison & Abbott closing down the people-smugglers trade we would continue to be haemorrhaging billions. Billions that could have been effectively distributed to fund UNHRC refugee camps throughout the MENA and South East Asia. Billions that could have provided the increased support you are recommending above.

            ”How is it that you can suggest that by ‘stopping the boats’ the humanitarian tragedy suddenly evaporates?”

            3) I never suggested it.

            What I did suggest is that the massive financial whirlpool created by allowing the illegal boat trade to resume – a fact you still haven’t acknowledged – would have been better spent on foreign aid to countries neighbouring countries such as Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, Malaysia. That’s why I keep asking you – how much foreign aid would 1/10th of the billions wasted from 2007 – 2013 been able to create in MENA and South east Asia where refugees are culturally and religiously compatible and our currency can purchase more food, shelter, basic supplies and fund initiatives to create employment for refugees.
            Also Foreign Aid has a terrible track record of mismanagement and inefficiency. Commentators have suggested a radical overhaul of how western nations spend foreign aid is needed because throwing good money after bad is no solution.

            ”but I do point that Abbott lowered Australia’s refugee intake from 20,000 to a paltry 13,500.”

            4) Labour under Rudd and Gillard took visas allocated for desperate, genuine refugees in UNHRC camps and redistributed them to economic migrants arriving via a people-smuggling trade they had allowed to resume! They increased the specialYes Abbott’s record on refugee welfare may not have been as generous or articulate as you would like, but considering Rudd’s moral vanity and the Greens self-appointed position as moral arbiter on refugees their role in the entire debacle is reprehensible. Both parties have been failures.

            5) I agree with you that Western intervention in the MENA has been mostly disastrous. Which makes our current indiscriminate immigration policy even more insane. We are importing people from a region and from cultures that are politically, culturally and theologically hostile to us.
            But – the terrible foreign policy decisions made by previous US administrations and the UK bears no relevance on Australian immigration polcy and why the Australian people should accept migrants or refugees from Islamic nations.

            See my point to Nutmeg above – if you aren’t concerned about Muslim immigration to our country you should be.
            The colonisation of Europe and the destructive impact of 40 years of Multicultural policy is a warning to Australia. More and more people are aware
            6) I agree with you. Both the ALP, the Coalition and The Greens are corrupt, hostile, anti-democratic or hostile to the Australian people. I will only vote for alternative parties willing to repeal Multicultural policy, implement citizen initiated referenda and electoral reform.
            7) I completely reject post-colonial guilt. No one person alive today is responsible for colonial crimes. Self-induced guilt for distant crimes no one today committed or condoned is toxic.
            France has been incredibly generous in inviting Muslim citizens, including many secular Algerians to share in the Republic and look at the horrific result. Ethnic fracture, a vicious anti-semitism on the rise, Jihadist enclaves, suburbs wracked by ethnic violence, corruption and extremism and now Paris. How ironic that France’s Jews are now considering voting for the NF because the Socialists support mass immigration even as they bemoan growing intolerance and Sarkozy was too weak to stem the flow.
            8) I am not informed enough to comment on the Rohingya but considered the worldwide soclal conflict and violence that Islamic communities are causing in every nation where they have been allowed to settle, I suspect the Buddhists had sound reasons for rejecting them. Rape, religious intolerance, child abuse, extremism… sounds familiar doesn’t it.
            9) I’m relieved you aren’t an open borders fanatic.

          • Lachlan R. Dale

            I spent most my post clarifying my original point, which you called “an immature, vicious assumption based on nothing but your own contempt.” I thought that was fairly obvious.

            As I mentioned, I reject the premise of your question, which suggests that if more funds were available to Abbott’s Government, that they would have spent it on bolstering the resources of the UNHCR and ‘legitimate’ refugee services overseas, or foreign aid.

            Not limiting ourselves to the narrow confines of your hand-picked example – of course more funds could be made available to alleviate the suffering of people in need across the globe.

            I restate the fact that the Abbott Government drastically reduced foreign aid to African nations, while noting that Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP increased under his watch versus the previous Government.

            I agree in regards to the more effectively allocation of foreign aid. A difficult topic, but an important one.

            I disagree with your characterisation of asylum seekers that arrived by boat as fundamentally different to “desperate, genuine refugees” – many spent years in such camps before trying their luck by boat. Do you not think one must be fairly desperate to hop on a rickety boat and risk death on the high seas? This path leads back to the drastically under-resourced state of refugee camps and service providers across the world.

            On this: “I completely reject post-colonial guilt. No one person alive today is responsible for colonial crimes. Self-induced guilt for distant crimes no one today committed or condoned is toxic.”

            I am not suggesting anyone “feel guilty”, merely that historical context is obviously important in understanding the current situation. The trauma that widespread torture, terror and murder can inflict on a people is intense. To ignore history is absurd.

            Anyway, we’ve probably beat this horse to death. Thanks for the response.

          • E.I.Cronin

            You are evading the point again and again out of dishonesty or irrationality.

            Try and follow me. I repeat – Rudd, Gillard and Brown have a far worse record on expenditure on refugees and foreign aid than Abbott did in his short term in office.

            We can’t have a sensible discussion because you will not acknowledge the 10.3 billion wasted on the people-smuggling trade by so-called progressive politicians in the ALP and the Greens. That’s not the ”narrow confines” of my ”hand-picked” example – it’s wasteful stupidity on a vast scale.

            By all means indulge in the unhinged obsessive hatred the Left have for Abbott, but to overlook the drastic, and far worse failings of the previous governments is disingenuous.

          • Lachlan R. Dale

            “Try and follow me. I repeat – Rudd, Gillard and Brown have a far worse record on expenditure on refugees and foreign aid than Abbott did in his short term in office.”

            I do agree under their leadership more deaths at sea occurred, and that the financial cost of offshore processing spiked as a result. On the other hand they increased the humanitarian / refugee intake, and expanded foreign aid.

            Meanwhile Abbott cut foreign aid significantly and reduced our humanitarian intake – though “stop the boats” he did.

            If we conclude Abbott came off best in this comparison – so what? This doesn’t alleviate him from criticism, nor detract from the argument I’ve put forward. Perhaps it proves some personal point to you as you shadow box with ALP, the Greens and “The Left”, but it has little relevance to myself. I do find it interesting that you insist on evaluating Abbott only in comparison to others, rather than on his own terms.

            If you think my language or reasoning is unhinged, you must be detecting some very deeply hidden hysteria =)

            In any case, it has been lovely. Lets hope we don’t see the likes of Paris again anytime soon.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Abbott was only in office for a year and a half. The Coalition were elected by the people to close the borders – polls showed 60% wanted the smuggling trade closed down. And we have to evaluate each govt in comparison to the previous – this is an old song and dance – Labor are prolifigrate and wasteful, the Libs then follow them with a razor.

            Paris is simply the result of 50 years of immigration and Multicultural policy. It will happen again and again. Jihad in the context of violence is an integral aspect of Islam, not to mention all it’s other evils which are more dangerous in my view. Devout Muslims have been firebombing synagogues in Australia since the early 90’s. And now, thanks to deluded progressive ideology and our political apathy in allowing political and media elites from both parties to make disastrous mistakes – we all pay.

            Nice talkin’ to you 🙂

          • E.I.Cronin

            ”More than 1,000 people have perished at sea after people smuggler’s boats sank. More than 6,000 children have had their lives put at risk by traveling on people smuggler’s boats to Australia”.

            excerpt from The Coalition’s Policy to Clear Labor’s 30000 Border Failure Backlog, published August 2013.

            Earlier you described Abbott’s failure to respond to crises in Sri Lanka and Burma. The first duty of a Government is to secure the interests, wellbeing and safety of it’s people and territory. When Rudd dismantled Howard’s Pacific Solution progressives declared that a ”stain” on our nation’s history had been removed. The ALP and the Greens then permitted each of these deaths at sea to occur – that is the real stain. That’s the real immorality.

            Yes we have a duty to help the victims of distant conflicts and crises in some way but to ignore the deadly results of policy failure on our shores is obscene.

            I can’t respond further because as expected – you will not answer my original question and deliberately scramble any attempt to clarify my meaning.

          • NutmegJunkie

            You’re the one crowing like a frightened child about this so called ‘tide of Muslims’ colonizing Europe and destroying my safety. You’re the one that needs to harden up. The world is a dangerous place. I can cope with that. Clearly you can’t.

          • Mark

            Please go to ISIL territory, your friends will probably take a good care of you, you may end up in a nice 300 degrees couldron soup. As for me, I am not worried at all, If I have to grab a gun to get rid off some vermin like yourself, so be it…

          • NutmegJunkie

            You have a gun because you are worried sick darling.

          • Mark

            I see your logic: Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar (son of refugees) and Moron Monis (refugee) were very frigthtened, that’s why they carried guns to murder Cheng, Dawson and Johnson this year in Sydney.
            Obviously you seem to be an abnormal handicapped moron, just like these two “migrants”

          • E.I.Cronin

            You haven’t answered my question – like Lachlan. Because you can’t.

            Each year the Australian Government spends at least 1.5 billion on multiples security agencies including ASIO; The AFP; the Anti-Terrorist Unit and employing courageous law enforcement personnel who have to confront dangerous religious extremists on a daily basis so that idiotic, delusional leftists such as yourself can claim ‘you can cope’.

            So Sweden having one of the highest rape statistics in the world because of it’s dramatic MENA migrant intake is just hunky dory? So just open borders (Frontex Europe estimates there have been at least 1.2 million illegal entries into Europe in the last year and the majority of them are Muslim and male)Rotherham. Rochdale, Trojan Horse Schools, Tower Hamlets… and that’s your answer? ‘The world is a dangerous place’.
            That’s what you want for Australia?

        • E.I.Cronin

          Still waiting…

        • Mark

          Have you read the news today??? I recommend you to cure your illiteracy by reading the French newspapers.

          • NutmegJunkie

            LOL, you think I’m frightened (like you) of what happened in Paris?

          • Mark

            You are an obvious illiterate. You failed to read my post properly. My suggestion to you was not about being frightened, just not to be stupid. But of course, your half brain is not working properly to understand other’s messages.

    • Mark

      Abbott pointed to the problem with transparent clarity. Don’t confuse christian charity with stupidity. You cannot be a “good Samaritan” and show both of your cheeks to a religion and / or culture aimed at your own destruction. That’s not called “compassion” that’s called “stupidity”

      • Lachlan R. Dale


        My point is in regards to Abbott’s framing of the issue: he focuses wholly on “queue jumpers” while never acknowledging how desperately underfunded refugee camps and institutions are across the globe.

        He could quite simply say that the “mass migration of refugees are a concern: in addition to turning people away at our borders we have a moral obligation to bolster support for refugees across the world and so ensure that people seeking safety can do so free from violence, exploitation, lack of food and water, and rampant disease.”

        He never seems to touch on that though, does he? Please do feel free to address this point.

        As for your generalisation of all Muslims as a religion/culture “aimed at your own destruction”, I think that is a rather bigoted view, while I also acknowledge there are issues with the mass influx of migrants to communities.

        One does not need to entertain the conspiracy theory that every Muslim is an evil terrorist sleeper cell hellbent on destroying our way of life to acknowledge that issue with mass migration exist. I view such a denial of dignity and humanity to fellow human beings quite distasteful.

        • Mark

          I respect your view, but the images I see from France right now, and the constant images of muslim people constantly swearing to destroy Israel and any other culture that is not theirs, coupled to some images of illegal boat people cursing Australia, all of these things tell me a very different story

    • Carol Miller

      Well his policies enabled us to bring over 12,000 refugees. We just hope there are none who have smuggled themselves In in order to harm us as what happened In Paris. Be sensible for goodness sake.

  • Steve Mallarmy

    In what way are the refugees “illegal migrants”? What law did they break?

    • A country gal

      One, absolutely none.
      It is not illegal to seek asylum.

      • E.I.Cronin

        It is only legal according to a 1951 Treaty that should be scrapped. That was signed in a vasty different world and has no relevance today. The Coalition estimated that up to 80-90% of the illegals processed with the ALP’s ‘tick and flick’ mentality during Rudd & Gillard’s disastrous office had flown to Indonesia and then disposed of their documentation.

      • Carol Miller

        As long as it genuine and not Country shopping.

    • Mark

      Immigration laws, just for the start. Seeking asylum must be done using the normal procedures, no by boarding a boat without papers.

      • Steve Mallarmy

        Can you point to any refugee who came to Australia by boat who has been prosecuted for breaking these so-called “immigration laws” you speak of?

        • Mark

          Your question doesn’t make any sense, you cannot prosecute 60,000+ illegal migrants. the judiciary system doesn’t have the capacity to house this amount into our jails. Instead they are held in detention camps outside Australia. Some remain embedded in the Community, but I hope they are dispatched to the camps and back to where they come from, as soon as possible.
          The punishment should be deportation. It is currently being implemented. The former labor government helped by the greens ignored the immigration laws of Australia and let tens of thousands of illegals into the country. It will be no second opportunity for these politicians who ignored the will of the majority of the People of Australia.

    • Carol Miller

      It’s not a matter of breaking laws, it’s because most of them were Country shopping, whilst genuine refugees who were languishing in camps with no hope because they didn’t have money to get on a boat. They would be grateful for 3 meals a day and running water, so please get your comments into perspective. And that is exactly what Tony attended to. With no credit from people like you who only want to hate because he hasn’t got a silver tongue like turncoat. where are his policies?

  • Vincent J

    Who is Tony Abbott? And why should his opinions matter to anyone in Britain – or Australia for that matter?

    • A country gal

      A has been, and failed Pollie.
      Britian are most welcome to him. Given his debatable citizenship status he shouldn’t have much trouble with his visa.

  • Bill Bloggs

    What Abbott meant to write “now I have more time on my hands I’ll continue to justify my past actions even though they were few and for the most part ineffective”.

    • Carol Miller

      Ineffectual? You have to be joking. who stopped the boats? who started the new airport to be built? Who got rid of the mining and carbon tax? Who started the building of new roads? And who had many projects to boost Australia of which he was robbed of. Because of people like you who only want smooth talking insincere leaders like turncoat. Where are his policies? So stop the hate and recognise the good.

  • Bill Wells

    Well done Tony; good to see you recognise good conservative leadership when you see it.

    There’s a big difference between talking and writing about leadership and being a leader though, isn’t there mate?

    You had an honours level mouth and performed kindergarten level deeds. You do your country no favours telling others what to do in totally different circumstances. I’m sure they don’t need some antipodean non-entity telling them how much of a problem they have on their hands.

  • Will Tony Abbott be returning to his job working for Mr Murdoch as a News Corp Australia journalist?
    headlined“News media council could muzzle debate” by Tony Abbott MP

    • supermarino007

      Our elected former PM Tony Abbott will be back in Prime Minister Office but nowhere else. Tony Abbott is still young and he has a lot to offer his service to Australia.
      Tony Abbott knows what he standing for and standing firm for his believe.
      Malcolm Turnbull is faked with dull personality. He does not have policy and good idea for Australia.
      Malcolm Turnbull will not reform anything unless the reform subject was popular.

      Mr & Mrs Turnbull only wanted the name of Prime Minister of Australia for to add their name. The history will tell full story behind robbing PM office from elected PM Tony Abbott. Now we knew Julies Bishop has lied to Australian public.

      Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd are just talkers and they achieved nothing because they are only interesting in fame and popularity. Also they don’t know how to implement important good policy and scared to reform.
      Turnbull is talking about Tax reform including GST but later he walks away with unanswered.
      We have to wait and see Turnbull’s voice and action at Climate change conference in France.

      If Labor changed its leadership and then the game will be changed too because now Bill Shorten is damaged goods.Bill Shorten has betrayed on Union member workers and no one trust him now.
      Turnbull knew Bill Shorten was damaged goods and Coalition will win election if Labor does not change its leadership in next election. So Turnbull rush to rob elected PM Tony Abbott’s office.

      Karma can not be bribed and avoided.

      • Carol Miller

        Tony Abbott you are a star. Ignore the haters because you and Margie know what you are about and what you are worth. Good luck in everything you decide to do In the future. We miss you and are very angry at what has happened and the disloyalty from people you trusted. Not Turncoat though, we all know as you did that he has been plotting for years to travel the world stage and be important. He is not a humble man like you who was in Parliament for the love of your Country. Turncoat is there for prestige and power. they have lost my vote.

  • Ros Marsh

    Congratulations Tony, I do admire your grit.

    Hard not to dislike those who turned up just to be rude. The web is unique in human history for the courage it gives to some to be nasty anonymously and at a distance. I am dead sure none of you would have the courage to speak this way to Tony’s face. Quite odd , don’t seem to be typical Spectator types. Not Turnbull astroturfers I hope.

    Keep writing please. The piece on abused kids also good thanks.

  • tapanuli

    You are right sir. Maggie was a great leader and so was Arthur the miner.