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Sorry, Bono, but ‘hyper-nationalists’ aren’t running Poland

The country’s politics are far more complex – and less right-wing – than outsiders make out

21 May 2016

9:00 AM

21 May 2016

9:00 AM

Bono has a new opponent: Liroy, a tattooed Polish rapper whose hits include ‘Jak Tu Sie Nie Wkurwic’ (‘How can I not get pissed off?’). He was outraged when the U2 singer recently claimed that Poland is succumbing to ‘hyper-nationalism’. In an open letter Liroy wrote: ‘Your knowledge on this subject must be based on a rather questionable source and is far from the truth. Both as a musician and a Polish MP I would like to invite you to Warsaw to discuss the subject… and see for yourself the current vibe of Poland.’

It’s obvious where Bono got the idea. Everyone in western Europe seems convinced that Polish democracy is on the verge of extinction at the hands of a right-wing nationalist party that seized power last October. There’s a widespread belief that the ‘anti-liberal’ and ‘anti-democratic’ Law and Justice party (PiS) is trampling on the constitutional court, intelligence services and public media.

For Poles like Liroy, however, this is a partisan narrative, accepted uncritically by foreigners. The ‘Poland lies in ruins’ line, they say, is a crafty piece of spin by the ousted party, Civic Platform. Critics insist that Platforma, as it’s known, disgraced itself in government. Its eight-year reign was corrupt, incompetent, arrogant and slavishly pro-European. Now, they say, the party is seeking to undermine its successor with the help of Brussels.

That is a partisan narrative, too, of course — one eagerly promoted by PiS supporters. An atmosphere of disinformation and propaganda makes it difficult to determine the truth. Poland is the land of spiskologia, conspiracy theory and counter-conspiracy theory, where nothing is what it seems.

PiS is a much more complicated group than most English-language journalists make out. Jaroslaw Kaczynski, a 66-year-old cat-loving bachelor, is its chief ideological architect. Described as ‘part Yoda, part KarlLagerfeld’, he is regarded by many as the most powerful man in Poland. He exercises that power indirectly, through two younger, more telegenic figures: Andrzej Duda, the country’s new president; and Beata Szydlo, the prime minister.

Along with his identical twin brother Lech, Jaroslaw starred in the 1962 children’s film The Two Who Stole the Moon. They joined Solidarity, the movement that overthrew communism, but became disillusioned after Poland’s transition to democracy. They believed that Solidarity had agreed to a disastrous compromise, letting outgoing communists retain control of parts of the economy, media and intelligence services. The brothers were determined to undo this uklad (‘pact’), which enemies insisted was a figment of their imaginations.


When Jaroslaw became prime minister and Lech president, they seized their chance. But Jaroslaw held office for barely a year and Lech died in a plane crash in Russia that wiped out much of the PiS leadership. Jaroslaw has worn black ever since.

Despite attempting to keep a low profile, Jaroslaw hasn’t lost his gift for provocation. When the opposition reported PiS to Brussels, he compared them to the 18th-century noblemen who betrayed Poland to Catherine the Great. ‘In Poland, there is a horrible tradition of national treason, a habit of informing on Poland to foreign bodies,’ he said. ‘And that’s what it is. As if it’s in their genes, in the genes of Poles of the worst sort.’

‘Poles of the worst sort’ has become an ironic rallying cry among the new government’s opponents. Protesters at rallies organised by the newly formed Committee for the Defence of Democracy (KOD) wear T-shirts bearing the slogan.

 

A frustrating aspect of the debate is that commentators rarely define their terms. The new government is typically described as right-wing and nationalistic, but as the historian Adam Zamoyski points out, ‘Their fiscal policy is anything but right-wing.’ PiS is committed to higher welfare spending, tax breaks for the poor and lowering the retirement age.

As for nationalism, it’s true that PiS is less enthusiastic about Brussels than Platforma. Government officials now speak against a backdrop of Polish flags rather than a mixture of Polish and EU flags. Nevertheless, PiS backs Poland’s EU membership, and President Duda is firmly opposed to Brexit.

The true hyper-nationalists aren’t found in mainstream parties like PiS. They are seen marching through cities dressed in black and waving the menacing green flags of the National Radical Camp, or standing on football terraces with banners denouncing the ‘Islamic plague’ (meaning migration). The far right has become bolder, but it still isn’t a meaningful political force.

The extreme right is just one minority among many in a country that is much more diverse than outsiders realise. Poland was, for example, the first nation in Europe to elect a transgender MP, Anna Grodzka. Her party, Ruch Palikota, came third behind PiS and Platforma in the 2011 parliamentary elections while promising to legalise cannabis, gay marriage and abortion. One of Poland’s top sports stars, the fighter Mamed Khalidov, is a Chechen Muslim.

Platforma and PiS arguably share the blame for the standoff over Poland’s constitutional court. Shortly before the election, Platforma appointed five new judges to the 15-member court, even though two vacancies wouldn’t occur until after the new government was formed. After its electoral triumph, PiS feared that a court packed with Platforma appointees would sabotage its reforms. So the party rejected all five judges, nominated five of its own and passed legislation curbing the court’s power. The court then ruled that parts of the new law were unconstitutional. PiS has refused to publish the verdict, creating a stalemate that could split the legal system.

Platforma also accuses PiS of an ideological takeover of public media. Yet journalists at the magazine Wprost laugh at the former governing party’s newfound piety about media independence. Two years ago, agents raided the weekly’s offices after it published a series of embarrassing scandals about Platforma ministers.

In Britain, foreign countries are only allowed to possess one characteristic at a time. China is ‘rude’, Nigeria ‘corrupt’ and Poland ‘nationalistic’. Yet we all know that nations with populations of, respectively, 1.4 billion, 173 million and 38 million can’t be summed up by an adjective.

Is Poland in the grip of ‘hyper-nationalism’? Don’t believe the hype. The curse of Polish politics is not hyper-nationalism but hyper-partisanship.

Got something to add? Join the discussion and comment below.

Luke Coppen is editor of the Catholic Herald.

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  • Rik

    Who gives a toss what dim leftard slebs of all ilks think(think ha!!) about political issues,will all these over emoting halo-hunters kindly do an oozlum bird and vanish up their own ‘arrises

    • William Brown

      “halo-hunters” – I like that! I’m going to steal it if that’s OK?

  • gosh

    The ‘Poland lies in ruins’ line was a crafty piece of spin by Law&Justice during their campaign. They stopped that whining the moment they won elections. But Poland will end up exactly there with their governing.

    • Fukk “BOSS” Youu

      So stay away

      • gosh

        I’m already in and ain’t going anywhere else. I’ll patiently wait for them to finish their antics. Thus you had better enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Give our God Immortal Praise

    Bono? Yawn.

  • enoch arden

    The Polish politics shouldn’t be discussed seriously It has never been serious. They can talk whatever, but never really mean it. There was never a civil war there. Just pantomimes. In which both “left” and “right” peacefully participate. Without any significant effect.

  • zanzamander

    I am so effing tired of Bono.

  • Cyril Sneer

    What the f ck has it got to do with Bono? And can anyone tell me if that mongs glasses are surgically implanted onto his head or was he just born that way

    What would St Bono like? For Polish people to vote based on what Bono wants?

  • Lothlórien

    A man that Bono worships is his fellow Irishman, Peter Sutherland (Goldman Sachs):

    The EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states, the UN’s special representative for migration has said.

    Bono also has the ear of one Angela Merkel.

    Seems Clooney, Bono, Jolie, Sutherland etc. want to play Gods with the little people.

    • stuartMilan

      got it in one, sir

      • Frank

        Peter Sutherland is pure Goldman Sachs and Bilderberg.

        • Itinerant

          He’s a pure ….

    • Lawrence James.

      Bono has the ‘ear’: could he be encouraged the rest of that stout body ?

  • Jeremy Given

    “Part Yoda, part Karl Lagerfeld.” Spot on. This sums up Kaczynski nicely.

  • David Prentice

    F *k off, Bono, you sanctimonious dwarf.

  • Bartek Chlopicki

    Finally a balanced article on the political problems of Poland. I was absolutely ashamed when I read the absolute nonsense that The Guardian conjured up about Poland. Also I thank you for pointing out that PiS’ fiscal policy is more left-wing than right-wing. As a Pole I can say that this article is probably the best English language article about Poland’s political problems I have read so far.

  • William Brown

    A narcissist pop musician’s opinions, on just about anything – let alone a country about which he clearly knows very little, is of neither interest nor consequence. My guess is that he won’t engage with Liroy, but do please keep me posted…

  • DavidL

    It’s always helpful to know what Bono thinks about things: if his views coincide with mine, I know it’s time for a rethink.

  • Davidsb

    A frustrating aspect of the debate is that commentators rarely define their terms. The new government is typically described as right-wing and nationalistic, but as the historian Adam Zamoyski points out, ‘Their fiscal policy is anything but right-wing.’

    The same is true of the Front National in France – socially ‘right-wing’ but economically ‘left-wing’.

    Clearly we need a new term to describe these parties.

    • FrankS2

      Or a demonstration that right and left have become meaningless terms.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        That excuse for the far right still? Sigh.

  • gerronwithit

    I blame Bono for making me read the above article in the mistaken belief that it might be interesting.

    • Ivan Ewan

      The last interesting thing Bono did was force me to have a U2 album on iTunes.

  • Zamoyski

    Very Well Done Luke Coppen for a balanced article which succinctly sums up the actually-no-panic political situation in Poland. And your quotation from my distant “cousin” Adam Zamoyski’s assessment is quite apt. Great to see that The Spectator is telling it like it really is, rather than regurgitating the bilge put out by the PO?EU cronies worldwide. Yes, the Losers are squealing like stuck pigs, but I expect that the worthy voters in Poland will not be conned by KOD’s lies and selective memory – and let’s hope that the international press accepts the balance, wisdom, logic and insight you have delivered.

  • JabbaTheCat

    This recent Flag Day speech by Jarosław Kaczyński is well worth listening to as it soon becomes apparent that the core political issues being fought over fall into two main areas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXSgX0VY5o

    In the matter of the Polish Supreme Court, this is clearly about who makes law in Poland, the Polish parliament or the judges, Kaczyński makes it very clear that the Polish parliament will prevail.

    The second concerns breaking up the cosy corrupt relationships established at many levels of Polish bureaucracy in the post Soviet space between state employees, business owners and criminal leaders. To this end Kaczyński is bringing in long overdue and sweeping reforms to deal with this problem, which if unchecked will follow down the destructive path trodden by Russia and the Ukraine where those countries are ruled by corrupt former communists, oligarchs and gangsters.

    It is therefore not surprising that there is such a vocal backlash amongst these corrupt vested interests and other lazy supporters of the status quo, as their easy paths to other peoples money are cut off…

  • DoubleDegreeHolders4Trump

    Never was a man so self-orientated than Bono. How dare he criticise ordinary people for caring about themselves and their country. GO BACK TO IRELAND AND STAY THERE.

    • CRSM

      Who is this Bonio? Dog biscuit politics it would seem.

    • Lawrence James.

      The dear Irish have enough troubles of their own without having to endure the presence of this moron.

  • Jacobi

    I wonder if Bono will take up the invitation to go to Warsaw. His time is a precious commodity after all!

    Poland has its problems. After all, since the territorial expansion of the Kingdom post- Reformation, it
    has changed shape and size and poppedt in and almost out of existence for some 250 years, mainly because of Russian and Prussian interference and it would appear that this still goes on .

    But the important thing now is not the current mess in Europe (or the EU ). That will all fade into existence shortly.

    The really important thing is where will the borders of the whole European concept be twenty years from now under the advance of Islam.

    If the European concept is yet there, it will be because of Poland (Left or Right), and Hungary, Slovenia, Slovakia, and of course Bulgaria!

    And who knows Mother Russia might even give a helping hand. There have been stranger turns
    than that in history before?

    • You have strange train of thoughts. Eastern Europe won’t save European concept. That EE expansion is what brings European concept to the logical end because they got the guts to express what whole Europe think in most ugly way. This crisis is existential – there are no practical model to accommodate diversity, while nobody doubt diversity is unavoidable in future due to the technology and rise of third world economy. Russia could help indeed, if it was not positioned directly at the opposite end of that existential mess – it got a perfect model to accommodate diversity having polished it for couple centuries and even managed to learn from mistakes of others more recently, not just own multiple violent hick ups through out history. Europe turned into a nest of racist ideology. Sorry for you guys. That is a deep end hard to get out of. Much easier to avoid getting in.

      • Jacobi

        I have a dispassionate, reasoned and logical train of thought which may well be considered as strange these days by some. I use simple words, not meaningless
        ones such as “existential” or “model”.

        Now clearly, English is not your language. But if you mean by EE, Eastern Europe, the
        countries I mentioned, who have a) long memories and, b) a long history of holding the frontiers of Europe against Islam, and you disagree, then you have to brush up on your history.

        And if you think that Mother Russia might not be on the side of we Europeans in the next 20 years or so, then you also I suggest must think a bit more about your history. It did not just start 200 years ago.

        • I am sure there was my response here. Is this a place where posts just being deleted for no reason?

          • I will try again. In simpler words for simpler people. Giving this place a benefit of doubt.

            Russia won’t join your “frontiers against Islam” new crusade, just as it never joint the first crusade. The Catholic “saints” leading the big conversion exercise are just foreign sadistic loonies for Eastern Ortodox. The 1054 divide in Christian world made their culture evolving into something much closer to suffi Islam than Catholic values. Wars never end in heads of these who always compete. these who do not compete, merge with anything that carries high energy taking the best from each world. To be scared of Muslims you need to see them as different people, as enemy. If you see them as part of you, as “you” includes all and everything, you are them, they are you. the enemy for both of you is the worst in either of you, not each other. Russia enteres a century of looking East, you are all by yourself in that ugly struggle.

          • Jacobi

            Russia already has joined what you call a crusade and sorted out the Saudi/Turkish-backed takeover of Syria in two/three weeks whereas the USA interference tinkered away to no effect ( deliberately so ) for years.
            The first Crusade was in 11th century when Russia was still Christianising and hardly able to join in. Then Orthodox Christianity fought its own long series of Crusades, particularly after we sacked Constantinople.
            And you think Orthodox Christianity is close to Suffi Islam. Maybe you should have a word with the Pope and put him right?.
            We have to understand Islam. Few people Christian or Secular seem prepared to do that since they know intuitively they will get shock.

            ps by the way your English is so much better than my schoolboy French!

          • Kennybhoy

            “… particularly after we sacked Constantinople.”

            Ahem. The Massacre of the Latins, April 1182…?

            Just saying… 🙂

          • Jacobi

            Two wrongs don’t make a right.
            We are Catholics after all are we not..eh….

          • Kennybhoy

            Indeed not. But I was making a historical rather than a moral point…

          • If a military coalition with Syria, Iran and Hezbollah looks like Crusaid to you, I rest my case. However I support your suggestion to understand Islam better. Please do. Understanding Russians better is not a bad idea either. Like how Eastern Ortodox Church got nothing to do with the Pop, for example.

          • Jacobi

            Calm down, Anette. Your English is deteriorating again. Try Google Translate. I do when I want to impress my Francophone friends.

          • Lawrence James.

            Was Russia invited to join the 1st Crusade ?

          • first – Eastern Orthodox did not take part in Crusade, Constantinople was vandalized by the Crusaders. Later a strong opposition to conversion as such was formed within the Eastern Orthodox. Like suffi Islam, Eastern Orthodox fights enemies inside aiming self improvement first of all. Converting is coercion – crime against free choice.

            The closest Russian came to Crusade was freeing Bulgaria and other South East Europe from Ottoman Empire in 18th century. Strangely enough Polish history has linkage to Russian Crusade too. In WW1 a popular idea among aristocracy was to re-take Constantinople from Turks giving it back to Eastern Orthodox. But instead rising “soviets”, a bottom up democratic institutions mimicking old Russian form of governance, enforced giving independence to Poland and Finland, part of Russian empire at the time. Greeks were deported and Armenians slaughtered by Turks as a price for the Crusade approach. Although formally Russia was on the winning side the actual ww1 results were may be the biggest loss in modern Russian history.

            Ironically Bulgaria this year celebrating liberation from Turks by Russians invited Turkish leader but did not invite Russia. While Pols crash anything associated with the communists – force which gave them independence in 1917 against the will of the ruling elite. Only Fins remain true to the actual history, refusing to join NATO and trying to keep the trade links with Russia.

          • And by the way Latvia was bought by Russia from Sweden in 18th century. Real Russian history opens up a lot of treasures. Shame British people got very little access. I love the first Afghan war which Britain started after Russia sent trade convoy to Kabul. One glance at the map can show the role of paranoia in British foreign affairs. Some legacy just has to go. Crusade is a good one to drop.

  • T Gould

    Spectator should have more articles like this. Always good to see more nuanced look at places than you might normally get.

  • Observer

    In 2010, one Mr. Cyba, a former Platforma member killed a ranking member of PiS (he Law and Justice Party currently in power). He hated PIS. He came to a PiS office and shot Mr. Rosiak dead. It was the first and only political murder in Poland for decades. Those who praise Platforma and condemn PiS should reflect on implications of that attack.

  • Jab

    Bono gives just 1% of very large income away then tells poor people to be generous.I remember something in 2010 in the press about this.
    The guy is a hypocrit

  • Nicomo

    ‘There’s a widespread belief that the ‘anti-liberal’ and ‘anti-democratic’ Law and Justice party (PiS) is trampling on the constitutional court, intelligence services and public media.” It’s not a belief it’s an actual fact. Before the current Mr Duda became President, he wrote a lettter to the PiS leader, stating how to dismantle the workings of the constitution. Which is exactly what PiS did. The constitutional court can’t work properly which currently allows PiS to get away with murder rushing through every law they want without being stopped, they have taken complete control of the media, therefore brainwashing the public, who are not completely oblivious to the current goings on as they too can watch free media channels that report globally around the world the truth. They have an army of trolls working here I see too – which I won’t bother tackling as it’s a waste of time. As I’ve lived here, in Poland, for 16 years – it seems I know the truth and Bono knows too.

    • wright

      If only the constitutional court obeyed the law, the media were independent before PiS came to rule and intelligence services didn’t proceed with some shady dealings…

      • Sebastian Nizioł

        Media were independent ? oh man , really ? when was that ? All my life I havent seen free media in Poland ….tell me pls which media and when were independent i realy would like to know that

        • wright

          “IF ONLY (…) media were independent before PiS came to rule (…).” Yes, they weren’t independent.

    • Sebastian Nizioł

      This is all bullshit (mostly ) , this is all what u can hear in liberal Polish-language foreign media which reprezents foreign national interest . I live in Poland much much longer then this guy above me and believe me i know this situation much better. Who is Bono to tell us how we govern our country ?

  • moderate Guy

    Enough of these moronic so-called “celebrities” who think they have the brains to mouth of on important issues, because they made few million jumping up and down and making faces at people or screeching unintelligibly into a microphone.

    • Nige Nukem

      this view point i strongly agree with. music is simply making the air vibrate, and does nothing more than make people feel emotion. musicians have neither the qualification nor the experience to make worthwhile comment on anything outside the sphere of art. which incidentally is purely subjective and open to interpretation in itself. its irrelevant and so are their ill informed opinions

      • Nige Nukem

        oh, and please forgive my grammer. writing this wit a wireless mouse. laborious

  • jim777

    “They believed that Solidarity had agreed to a disastrous compromise, letting outgoing communists retain control of parts of the economy, media and intelligence services. The brothers were determined to undo this uklad (‘pact’), which enemies insisted was a figment of their imaginations.”

    Nonsense. The Kaczynski brothers, at the time, stood with Lech Walesa (leader of Solidarity and first President of independent Poland after communism) and took part in those negotiations and the rhetoric they later used was only to undermine Lech Walesa when he decided to let them go. They also build on this for years to gain power.

    • nanader

      I don’t think anyone could fully understand the consequences of the round table negotiations, neither the communists nor the opposition. We speak over 20 years after the event, which is why we know the consequences of the round table talks.

      Apart from that, please remember that Wałęsa wasn’t at all a neutral actor in those negotiations and there is a possibility that he was double-faced during negotiations. As a president, he struck down a law on lowering retirement payments for former SB agents – against parliamentary majority and popular will. This suggests that he may have been in a pocket of someone from the old establishment because of his super high ego. The recently recovered documents and Wałęsa’s stupid denial support this theory.

    • “Enemies” is the core word here. Who are the enemies? All old communists in power in the past are dead or deeply retired. Who are new enemy, list them up please. Other Polish people active age who hold different views and wish to assert them politically. Witch hunt it is.

  • JabbaTheCat

    This recent Flag Day speech by Jarosław Kaczyński is well worth listening to as it soon becomes apparent that the core political issues being fought over fall into two main areas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXSgX0VY5o

    In the matter of the Polish Supreme Court, this is clearly about who makes law in Poland, the Polish parliament or the judges, Kaczyński makes it very clear that the Polish parliament will prevail.

    The second concerns breaking up the cosy corrupt relationships established at many levels of Polish bureaucracy in the post Soviet space between state employees, business owners and criminal leaders. To this end Kaczyński is bringing in long overdue and sweeping reforms to deal with this problem, which if unchecked will follow down the destructive path trodden by Russia and the Ukraine where those countries are ruled by corrupt former communists, oligarchs and gangsters.

    It is therefore not surprising that there is such a vocal backlash amongst these corrupt vested interests and other lazy supporters of the status quo, as their easy paths to other peoples money are cut off…

    • Surely there is different level legislature. Constitution above all, then statutory instruments of significant nature, then guidelines and technical standards. Each level is made by different organs and each legislation checked for consistency with the laws above. Simplification does not help here. The talk is about Constitution, not about any law. Polish constitution by the way is the oldest in Europe. Parliament as we know can be a transient fluid substance changing core beliefs to completely opposite, sometimes by a simply swing of a minor party from one coalition to another. Parliament already got a law creating power. Giving them the power of recreating Constitution is the way to power grab by the coalition which does not even belief its stable enough to hold on to majority for long without rules being changed fundamentally.

      • JabbaTheCat

        The oldest constitution still governing a sovereign European nation today is that of San Marino, the Leges Statutae Republicae Sancti Marini written in 1600 and it remains in force today. By comparison, the current Polish constitution originates on the 2nd April 1997.

        Article 235 of the current Polish constitution lays out clearly the requirements for changes to the constitution and if the current democratically elected government changes the constitution by this process then you have to accept that change. If the voters of Poland don’t like what’s happening they can vote out this current government at the next elections, it’s how the democratic process works in a mature democracy.

        As for your other points, you seem to struggle understanding how the Polish legislative process works.

      • TheJustCity

        Parliament, for whatever stripe of political party it represents, is a democratically elected body. It’s curious that there is a prevailing trend in the lib-left elites and their ovine footsoldiers, to undermine basic liberal-democratic principles such as seperation of powers. What is evident is that they would much rather have in place unelected activist leftist judiciary and lawyers (such as the morally-asymmetrical Shami Chakrabarti) and, in institutions such as the UN, have these function as a council of self-avowed heavenly guardians who may overreach their mandate and manipulate international affairs, erode national democracy and, as in the case of Israel, denounce the defence policies of a democractic sovereign state.

  • Jeremy Given

    Bono, like much of western media is a person who conjures up fake portrayals of the country based on political changes and sensationalist articles.Bono does not know the real Poland just as he doesn’t know the real Japan or China since he’s never lived there or been there for more than a night at a 4 star hotel suite. Bono is a joke, similar to U2’s music post 1989.

    • Verk

      Bono in a 4 star hotel? You must be joking!

      • Jeremy Given

        ^_^ He doesn’t deserve 5 star because he steals towels and robes from his room.

        • Maybe it was a five-star hotel when he checked in, but only four stars by the time he left?

          • Jeremy Given

            Hahah, Bono stole a star! Get him! Hotels need to start nailing everything down including the ashtrays or Bono will take that too. The robes and towels are already in Dublin.

    • Robbydot1

      Bono is a pillock.

    • teepee

      They were listenable before 1989?

    • Anglian Reed

      “Bono does not know the real Poland just as he doesn’t know the real Japan or China…”

      As a member of the rarefied clique of ‘Citizens of the World’, I expect he now knows little of the real Ireland either.

    • Mary

      Bono hasn’t lived in the real world for decades.

    • John

      “Bono does not know the real Poland” – for one very simple reason ; he’s pig-ignorant and would have trouble finding it on a map.

  • Fanboy

    Great article. As a native Pole I couldn’t agree more.

  • What’s a “hyper” nationalist? How does a hyper nationalist differ from the normal variety?

    • Frank

      I think they wear a lot of black leather, but that might be the local gay biker gang?

  • wright

    “The court then ruled that parts of the new law were unconstitutional.” – What’s more, the court ruled not according to the new law, acting like they didn’t notice or accept the change.

  • Suriani

    Mr Hewson is an evangelical liberal Christian who must opine on all things. His views are simply personal opinions, nothing more. Being a singer does not give him oracular status. So why pay particular heed? Has he any views on Hungary he’d like to share that we might also ignore?

  • Frank

    The sainted Donald Tusk co-founded Platforma!

    • Jeremy Given

      The Tusk/Merkel bromance is no more.

      • Frank

        So sad, does this mean war?

  • la catholic state

    How much of this hysteria is a reaction against Poland’s Christian, notably Catholic stance….just as much anti-Russianism is anger over Russian refusal to tow the secular anti-Christian, Western/Islamic alliance line.

    • I wish that were true about Russia, and I thought so for a long time, but unfortunately Putin is little more than a gangster. He came to power (and launched the Chechen war) after a series of apartment block bombings in Moscow. Hundreds of Russian civilians were killed and Putin unified the country and swore revenge. It was inevitable dubbed ‘Russia’s 911’. Not long after, a group of men were caught planting explosives in another Moscow apartment block. They were FSB men and the (live) explosives and detonators were Russian military stock. The explanation was that they were conducting an exercise. Putin isn’t the saviour for Western nationalists

      • Let’s stay true to the facts. Putin did not launch Chechen war. He stopped it. Not just that. He poured a lot of money rebuilding it into a modern proud state. The only state so far with a sussess story of winning over wahhabi terror ideology. Chechen youth gone back from the forest to rebuild own land. Lies may help to wind up yourself and each other into a bigger hate. But that specific lie also deprive the West from knowing about the winning model against ISIS ideology.

        • Jakiri

          Chechnya is an Islamic State run by a man every bit as Islamo-fascistb as al-Baghdadi, except that he is a client of Putin, with a sharia/mafia state on the lines of the Russian state in microcosm. The main difference is that for the moment he chooses to accept the ‘kuffar’ patronage, for long enough to cement his rule at home.

          Putin rides atop a rotton edifice which will likely bloodily collapse once he passes on. During his telephone phone in, the Russian people called up in their droves to say how oppressive and corrupt Russian government agencies are, Putin excused from blame of course. See how such a situation usually pan out.

          • The main difference – there is NO CHECHEN TERROR. Makes no difference to you? Different to both Russians and Chechens who died in thousands while the West was given refuge to these “freedom fighters”. If they wanted freedom for Chechnia why Chechen people want them home for mass murders?

      • la catholic state

        There are many gangsters around….with whom Western leaders have no beef . The root of anti-Russianism is that it is refusing to join the secular Western/Islamic cohort and toe the line.

        Putin is not a saviour of anywhere….except, God willing Russia. It’s a pity Russia isn’t still Catholic.

        • Russia Catholic? Ha ha ha. You got no idea. Russian patriarchs refused to meet Pop for decades, Catholic obsession with conversion being the main reason. They finally met recently in Cuba. Pop must have agreed to stop attempting and also took a stand on Ukranian Ortodox grabbing Russian orthodox property and bullying the congregation.

          Orthodox are strongly against conversion. Catholic converting saints are seen as sadistic coercers. That comes against much higher value of personal choice for Ortodox. There is no inherited sin in that Faith since 1054 divide of Christianity. That is how Russian empire ended up hosting all main religions contributing to completely different approach to minorities and rules for cultural and religious coexistence.

          • la catholic state

            That’s the trouble with Russia….it is not Catholic. It has a nationalistic Christianity. We will continue to pray for its conversion…as Our Lady asked.

          • The western Catholicism is dead, look at the figures. The only growth is in countries which are traditionally against gay and women priests. Orthodox got very different dynamics. 1054 all over again. Look at the main reasons for the divide – high value of human choice, different take on idol worshiping, etc. All the elements relevant to current western crisis which orthodox do not have as the choice made in 1054 shown to be much more adequate to last longer. Russian orthodox is corrupt and in bed with government, but still answer the soul searching purposes of Russian nation. Catholicism just drags Pols back to racism. The obsession with conversion which was never condemned as imperialistic fuel, is a killer of ability to coexist. Orthodox news to suffi Muslims next to Buddhist = peaceful Eurasia.

          • la catholic state

            Sorry but the Catholic Church grew by 6% in Europe since 1980. It is actually growing everywhere….though not practised so much. And look how Poland is returning to its Catholic roots.
            There is nothing racist about Catholicism. In fact….racism is bnned.

          • Good for them as they grow. I know more about churches I go – Anglican and Russian orthodox. Miles apart. There is not much left in Anglican church to touch you soul or to help on practical levels with grief, addiction or in case of abuse survivors.

          • Jacobi

            Russia, Putin or otherwise is more Christian right now than the West, which in the past fifty years has dropped its Christianity for various reasons.

            However Poland and the Czechs and Slovaks and Hungars and Bulgars will sort out the real problem.

      • Sue Smith

        Putin is virtually the dictator of a rogue state. He keeps the people distracted with vodka so they don’t notice.

  • Robbydot1

    Seized power. I thought they won an election with a huge majority?

  • Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are showing the West the way forward. Popular nationalism will be the tool with which we rebuild prosperous and free nations

  • Conor Mac Nessa

    The man is a gobshite and is as informed as the average fox news watcher

  • ‘Sorry, Bono, but ‘hyper-nationalists’ aren’t running Poland’

    Marxists are as the following illustrates…

    “The Communists have succeeded in concealing from the West that the ‘non-Communist’ parties are secret partners of the Communists, not alternatives or rivals to them, and that the new power structures, though they have democratic form, are in reality more viable and effective structures introduced by and guided by Communist Parties with a broader base. Because of this Communist control, the Bloc countries are not true democracies and cannot become so in the future.” — KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, “The Perestroika Deception”, p. 87.

    https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

    …and…

    “On the initiative of the KGB, an army of Soviet vigilantes five million strong, the so-called ‘druzhiny’, was recruited from among the Komsomol activists. They have been patrolling and policing the streets of all the Soviet cities. Their primary task has been to prepare the Soviet people to ‘behave’ during the forthcoming ‘liberalisation’.” — KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, March 1989, “The Perestroika Deception”, pp. 14-15.

    https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

    The above means that the so-called ‘War on Terror’ is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending ‘War on Terror’; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’;* which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    The following are three discoveries regarding Lenin’s Tomb, the Yugoslav ‘civil wars’, and ‘collapse’ of the USSR, and what they prove regarding the Marxist co-option of the West’s political establishments**…

    (I) Click picture for Lenin’s Tomb (still there! how is that possible? why isn’t it a tomb for the last Romanov family?) on May 9, 2016, Victory Day…

    http://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/103929/06/1039290649.jpg

    ( http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160509/1039287269/2016-victory-parade-moscow-live.html )

    Hmm, Comrade Lenin is hidden away? Why would that be? Because all Victory Day speeches given in Moscow by the president of Russia take place at Lenin’s Tomb, therefore Lenin’s Tomb must be hidden otherwise the global audience would immediately know that the collapse of the USSR is a fraud.

    Click picture for Lenin’s Tomb on May 9, 2015, Victory Day…

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2015-05/09/134224024_14311584186281n.jpg

    Lenin’s Tomb is hidden behind makeshift facade.

    Putin delivers 2014 Victory Day speech at Lenin’s Tomb. Tomb is hidden behind makeshift facade…

    http://www.vosizneias.com/164009/2014/05/09/moscow-russia-marks-victory-day-with-massive-military-parade-photos-video/

    Putin giving speech at 2013 Victory Day celebration in Moscow, makeshift façade hides Lenin’s Tomb…

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/18089

    Putin delivers 2012 Victory Day speech at Lenin’s Tomb. Tomb is hidden behind makeshift facade…

    http://static.kremlin.ru/media/events/presidentphotos/big/41d3fd6428b896537791.jpeg

    (II) Communist control of Yugoslavia ‘civil wars’…

    Secessionist Yugoslav Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim factions waged dirty wars against each other, neglecting to first wipe out the 9% of the population that attempted to do away with religion in Yugoslavia, proving the wars were orchestrated and controlled by the communist faction. That 9% constitutes members of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Communists_of_Yugoslavia

    …the Marxist party that subjugated Yugoslavia from 1945 until the party’s dissolution in January 1990. Before any religious sectarian strife, first there would have been massive reprisals against the reviled Communists who implemented policies to wipe out religion in Yugoslavia. The fact that no such reprisals took place proves that the breakup of Yugoslavia, during the Yugoslav Wars (1991-2001), was manufactured and controlled by the Communists; and

    (III) Not one celebration throughout the USSR when the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Soviet_of_the_Soviet_Union

    …dissolved the USSR on December 26, 1991…

    When Soviet citizens were liberated from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist-atheist oppression on December 26, 1991, the day the USSR officially ended, there were zero celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the ‘collapse’ of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists, otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

    Zero celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

    Notice, however, the Kremlin staged anti-government demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘dissolving’ of the USSR, yet zero celebrations after the USSR was ‘dissolved’. Also notice that there’s not one picture in The Atlantic retrospective of the celebrations that took place when individual Soviet republics broke away from the USSR throughout 1991, declaring their independence from the USSR. That’s because such inclusions would make one wonder where’s the celebrations for the ‘dissolving’ of the USSR.

    For more on these discoveries, see my blog…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

    The ‘War on Terror’ operation has a duel purpose, that being the ‘War on Islam’, per Karl Marx’s directive to abolish religion.*** Judaism was reduced to half its numbers during the Marxist World War II operation,**** where currently Jews are being concentrated in Israel in preparation for the last assault on Judaism.

    The political parties of the West have long been co-opted by Marxists, otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ‘collapse’ of vanguard Communism ruse.

    Now you know why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the ‘alternative’ media. When determining whether the ‘former’ USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the ‘former’ USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    The fraudulent ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the ‘collapse’ was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    It gets worse–the ‘freed’ Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the five million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the cities during the period of ‘Perestroika’ (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    Conclusion:

    The West will form new political parties where candidates are vetted for Marxist ideology, the use of the polygraph to be an important tool for such vetting. Then the West can finally liberate the globe of vanguard Communism.

    ————————-

    * Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Soviet minister of foreign affairs Eduard Shevardnadze on the upcoming new European union with Russia:

    “Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.” — ‘The Perestroika Deception’, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

    https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

    …and more recently…

    “Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

    That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean – a community referred by Russian experts to as “the Union of Europe,” which will strengthen Russia’s potential and position in its economic pivot toward the “new Asia.”’ – Vladimir Putin (2012).

    https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/putin-russia-changing-world-263/

    ** The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

    *** Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/

    ‘The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.’

    …and…

    ‘The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.’

    …and…

    ‘It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world.’

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm

    **** https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/the-marxist-co-option-of-history-and-the-use-of-the-scissors-strategy-to-manipulate-history-towards-the-goal-of-marxist-liberation

    • wow, I bet you took a long time writing that comment…

      • Not at all. I simply included Golitsyn’s* two quotes into a comment I have on file. I especially find amusing hiding Lenin’s Tomb behind a makeshift facade during Victory Day celebrations! The movie ‘The Matrix’ can’t top the surreal reality that is our world.
        ————————–
        * Now you know why the West’s political parties/intelligence agencies/fake ‘conservatives’ attacked Golitsyn as soon as he defected in 1961 with his family.

        • And you got no opposition. As it is not allowed to respond to you by more than one line.

          • No opposition? Opposition to what? For Marxists, silence is golden because there is no response possible. The West refused to VERIFY the ‘collapse’ of the USSR! That, in itself, says it all. The rest of my comment is mere filler.

          • You misuse the term Marxism. Marxism is just an old socio-economic theory. A book which people took seriously at some point in history. If you ever read it, there are few bits still relevant – inevitability of unequality and wars of imperialistic world. That was written in the era of first wave industrialisation, role of working class is severely overvalued. Marx did not believe communism can occurs in one country and had a high economic development as a condition. Lenin said -why not and set up an experiment. Both had gaps in logic and both lost relevance.

          • According to Marx there was no assurance for the Communist Commonweal coming into existence, hence the necessity of Marxists to control the glob’s economies assuring, in the future, unfettered Capitalist economies that don’t sabotage the metamorphosis of ‘advanced’ Capitalism into the Communist Commonweal…

            “Marx sharply stresses the bad sides of capitalist production, but with equal emphasis clearly proves that this social form was necessary to develop the productive forces of society to a level which will make possible an equal development worthy of human beings for ALL members of society. All earlier forms of society were too poor for this.” — Friedrich Engels, “Marx’s Capital,” Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Works, Volume I, pp. 468-469.

            https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867/reviews-capital/dwochenblatt.htm

          • So you are a Marxist after all.

          • Catholic…

            Google (new discoveries): THE DEFT POLITICAL MANEUVERINGS OF JESUS AND JEWISH OFFICIALS UNDER A PRECARIOUS ROMAN SHADOW

    • Posted an answer but it is not allowed. In short – if presumption of innocence put above ideology, withdrawing civil rights based on political view is illegal. Removing this fundamental legal basis for “just communists” is removing it for all. For that simple, but honourable reason, only real convicted criminals were punished in Russia.

      • Communists in Russia control the political process, as my comment proved, therefore it is the civil rights of Russians (and the other republics that made up the USSR) that are non-existent. Communists dictate all policy in Russia, right down to maintaining Stalin’s Red Stars atop the Kremlin Towers…

        https://www.rt.com/politics/224767-kremlin-russia-star-eagles/

        Thousands of statues of Lenin and other Soviet ‘heroes’ remain standing throughout Russia because Soviet Marxists also wish it, not Soviet Russians. Soviet Russians view such monuments to the Marxist-atheist Soviet period ‘heroes’ with disgust, such monuments rubbing salt into the historical wounds of non-Marxist Soviets (93% of the population) who must gaze at such monstrosities littering their cities and towns.

        (1) The State Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian State Duma building…

        http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/544004264-duma-kremlin-palace-russian-flag-red-square.jpg

        Notice that the State Emblem of the Soviet Union is illuminated at night for clear viewing by Muscovites…

        http://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-3345878-stock-footage-street-traffic-on-okhotny-ryad-and-state-duma-at-evening-in-moscow.html

        (2) High atop the facade of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs building, the State Emblem of the Soviet Union is Illuminated with pinpoint precision at night…

        http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5168126126_02c5505a79_m.jpg

        (3) The State Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian Ministry of Defense building, including other Soviet era iconography…

        http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51802114.jpg

        (4) Soviet Red Stars atop Kremlin towers remain where Stalin placed them in 1935…

        http://rt.com/files/news/37/3d/30/00/russia-ukraine-dialogue-peskov.si.jpg

        And still there even after the recent Kremlin renovations…

        https://www.rt.com/politics/224767-kremlin-russia-star-eagles/

        (5) Headquarters of the Russian Federal Security Service, and the Soviet Union’s security service, the KGB…

        https://worldsgreatesttravelblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/russia-1021.jpg

        Note the State Emblem of the Soviet Union still over the main door (click picture to enlarge), and hammer and sickle logo still above the clock. And here’s the Lubyanka at nightime…

        http://vindenes.nu/gallery/wp-content/gallery/m419.jpg

        Note illumination of hammer & sickle, and enhanced illumination of area above the main door, where the office of the KGB chief was located (third floor).

        (6) Soviet roundel still on Russian military aircraft…

        http://theuspatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Russian-fighter-jets1.jpg

        (7) Soviet era Communist emblem (the Soviet red star) still attached to the bows of Russian naval vessels…

        http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn-latino/news/Russian%20Naval%20Ship.jpg

        (8) The hammer & sickle logo still used by Aeroflot, purpose being to remind Russians when they travel abroad to be careful what they say to foreigners concerning the ‘collapse’ of the USSR and who’s still in control of the ‘former’ USSR…

        https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2904/14119082369_7c7d7681a5_b.jpg

        (9) The brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine never destroyed their detested Soviet banners, nor did Kiev order the armed forces to destroy the reviled Soviet era banners …

        http://blouinnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/640×432/public/images/story/2014_03_04/7f095050f5b1431d027e102cb4b5d681.jpeg

        …and the left side of the Soviet banner…

        http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/cms/binary/9577387.jpg?size=640×420

        (10) Red Star, the official newspaper of the Soviet Union’s Ministry of Defense…

        http://www.callsignalpha.co.uk/newspaper.jpg

        Note the Soviet era title (Red Star) and the four Soviet emblems (representing awards*) to the left of the masthead, the outer emblem displaying Vladimir Lenin. Now, Google the following to view the official newspaper of the Russian Ministry of Defense…

        Google: Red Star RU

        The newspaper is still called Red Star(!) and still has the four Soviet emblems with Vladimir Lenin still present!
        ———————————
        * Soviet era awards from left to right…

        The Order of Lenin Type II:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Lenin#/media/File:Order_of_Lenin_type2.jpg

        The Order of the October Revolution:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_October_Revolution#/media/File:Order_of_the_October_Revolution_rus.jpg

        The Order of the Red Banner:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Red_Banner#/media/File:Order_of_the_red_Banner_OBVERSE.jpg

        The Order of the Red Star:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_decorations,_and_medals_of_the_Soviet_Union#/media/File:Order_of_the_Red_Star.jpg

        • The article is about Poland. I prefer to stick to the topic out of respect to the author. I will try in small portions. As an author I got no respect here. a page of texts got lost twice already, this puts me off.

          There were two routes out of Soviet time. Swing from one ideology to another, like Pols did, punishing communists and former official for a “crime” of difference in beliefs. And to build ideology free model, where all people can belief whatever they like, like Russia did. Only real criminals are punished, who committed crimes, using power to grab assets including.

          • The problem with “lustration”, that is how stripping former officials and communists from civil rights is called, is a need to apply double standards, put one ideology above another leading to de facto cancellation of freedom of speech and expression. Anybody left believing in communism have to go underground and accept – no matter how popular they are they are unelectable and their beliefs block them for exercising the same rights to work for the state, for example. A bit like Hamas wining election in Gaza or Muslim brothers in Egypt or “pro-Russian” Ynukovich in Ukraine. Democracy suddenly does not apply any more. Terror methods and cancelling freedoms is Ok. How loosening these freedoms became OK? Ideology is considered above these freedoms and justify double standards. That is exactly how it worked with communists in power!!!. So instead of getting more freedom, Pols just changed ideology.

            Russians put freedom above ideology. Simple. No double standards. No punishment for beliefs. Communists are still quite popular coming second in elections for many years. Yet, they do not rule. As they are not as popular to get majority at the end. They influence of course and the state is rather socialists in approach to education, health care and other social aspects, but not in business or politics.

          • The State Emblem of the USSR is atop the Duma, illuminated at night, proving Communists are in control of Russia! What’s your problem? Not one statue to the reviled butcher of Russian nationalism/Orthodoxy- Lenin – has been destroyed throughout all of Russia! In fact, not one statue to ANY Marxist-atheist ‘hero’ has been destroyed throughout Russia. You can’t be that dense, are you?

          • Destroying monuments is vandalism. Not sure why you are so hooked up about it and use the dead past stones as a measure for today’s politics. There are people who do not like destroying. You are so keen, go and kick something on the graveyard nearby.

          • Russians destroying monuments to Soviet ‘heroes’ on December 26, 1991 is an expression of liberation from 74-years of horrific Marxist-atheist tyranny. The fact that not even one such monument was destroyed throughout Russia is proof that the five-million KGB created vigilantes were patrolling the streets, ensuring that ‘liberated’ Russians didn’t get the wrong idea about the fake ‘collapse’ of the USSR…

            “On the initiative of the KGB, an army of Soviet vigilantes five million strong, the so-called ‘druzhiny’, was recruited from among the Komsomol activists. They have been patrolling and policing the streets of all the Soviet cities. Their primary task has been to prepare the Soviet people to ‘behave’ during the forthcoming ‘liberalisation’.” — KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, March 1989, “The Perestroika Deception”, pp. 14-15.

          • There was a vote for everything, including keep USSR or disintegrate. Some republic’s wanted out – Baltic states only. In all other people voted to keep United. Yeltsin and guys from Belarus and Kazakhstan got together and disintegrated it in spite of the public vote. Not KGB or Marxists. People voted in 1990s in Crimea too, to be part of Russia. You need to learn actual history. Western myths are pathetic. You make things up first and then demand Russians hate or love something you just made up. Soviet time was not “tyranny”, it was life. People examined what they were told and they found very little lies, a lot was not said, but very little actual lies. While in the West so much lies, unbelievable how people consume it all and still got brains.

          • Once again you didn’t read my initial comment very carefully…

            ‘Also notice that there’s not one picture in The Atlantic retrospective of the celebrations that took place when individual Soviet republics broke away from the USSR throughout 1991, declaring their independence from the USSR. That’s because such inclusions would make one wonder where’s the celebrations for the ‘dissolving’ of the USSR.’

          • Polish Marxists were supposed to have been purged from government/media/education/military in 1991, not 25 years later when a new, younger, batch of Marxists could take over from the older tainted East Bloc Marxist agents. There can be no ‘collapse’ of a Marxist regime when Marxists remain entrenched throughout a nation’s institutions. Such a ‘collapse’ is called a RUSE.

          • I read your comment that was deleted. Good for you it was! You mis-equated the existence of statues to Cromwell in England with Lenin’s statues that still exist throughout Russia. Bad analogy. Firstly, there are no statues of Cromwell in the Republic of Ireland, but there naturally is such a statue of Cromwell outside Parliament (London) since Cromwell was the champion of Parliament against King Charles’ attempt at usurping Parliament. Secondly, Lenin was the ‘hero’/champion of the Marxist-atheist USSR, who destroyed Russian institutions, summarily executing over 50,000 Orthodox clergy and 100,000 laity, destroying churches and turning cathedrals into warehouses or museums to atheism. The thousands of statues to Marxist-atheist ‘heroes’ that litter Russian cities and towns today rub salt into the historical wounds of non-Marxist Russians (93% of the population) who must gaze upon such monstrosities every day. If the ‘collapse’ of the USSR were real all monuments to Soviet-atheist ‘heroes’ would have been demolished on December 26, 1991, the day Soviets were supposedly liberated with the official announcement by the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union that the USSR was ‘dissolved’.

            As for Poland, when did Poland alert the world to the fake collapse of the USSR! When did any East Bloc nation? Get it now? Once more…

            “The Communists have succeeded in concealing from the West that the ‘non-Communist’ parties are secret partners of the Communists, not alternatives or rivals to them, and that the new power structures, though they have democratic form, are in reality more viable and effective structures introduced by and guided by Communist Parties with a broader base. Because of this Communist control, the Bloc countries are not true democracies and cannot become so in the future.” — KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, “The Perestroika Deception”, p. 87.

            https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

          • Zamoyski

            Thank you Dean Jackson for a splendidly inconvenient TRUTH about what happened – and is now hopefully being eradicated at least in Poland – within the Soviet-bloc countries since WW2.
            Dan Zamoyski

          • Not in Poland yet;* we’re witness to a mere reshuffling of Marxist controlled political party chairs. However a counterrevolution took place in the Ukraine, beginning in the fall of 2013, but only because a critical number of Ukraine Ground Forces (UGF) were in southern Turkey preparing to enter Iraq posing as ISIS. ISIS is a Marxist front group posing as Muslims. That’s why between December 2013 and today over 1,200 monuments to the reviled Lenin were demolished by the anti-Communist Ukrainian people, monuments that were supposed to have been destroyed back in 1991 if the ‘collapse’ of the USSR were real and not the strategic ruse it is. The weakened Marxist security presence in the Ukraine gave Ukrainians their chance to revolt against the Marxist government in Kiev and tear down monuments to Soviet era Marxist-atheist ‘heroes’.**
            ——————————-
            * When the revolt takes place in East Bloc countries, it will be violent as in the Ukraine.

            ** Russian regular forces are also in the eastern Ukraine (attired in UGF uniforms) fighting the Ukrainian freedom fighters, losing to combat operations approximately 25,000 soldiers, which is why on January 2 (2015) Vladimir Putin was ordered by his superiors in the Russian Communist Party to sign a four-year old piece of legislation that allows foreigners who speak Russian to join the Russian military…

            http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-foreigners-serving-in-military/26779601.html

          • Zamoyski

            It is my assumption – and, I think, a safe bet – that the current Polish government would prefer non-violent “revolution”, to try to avoid any significant disruption of domestic services for its citizens, and to maintain the economic growth Poland has attained, and certainly continues to need – forever.

          • The present Polish government is Marxist. Nothing has changed there. Marxists don’t give up without violence, and Poland hasn’t alerted the globe to the fake ‘collapse’ of the USSR and East Bloc nations. The Polish government also hasn’t alerted the globe to the Marxist co-option of the West!

            By the way, has the Marxist agent leadership of the Polish Catholic Church been purged yet? Nope, they still control the institution. The same with all other religions organizations within the Soviet Bloc.

          • Zamoyski

            Lustration was attempted by PiS in 20017, but was defeated by PO’s grip on the Tribunal Council. Lustration, or whatever it may be called today, will hopefully succeed under PiS within the next 4.5 years – I hope.

          • A debate implies there is a place for facts to be considered. You are deeply in conspiracy ocean, seems no point in debating. If ISIS is Marxist and Russia is Marxist what th war against them is about? In the article about transgender toilet issue Obama is Marxists too. If any global power is already Marxists why cannot they already settle into building a proper utopia for us. It looks great on paper.

          • What’s the war about, you ask? I already explained that in my initial comment. Once more…

            The so-called ‘War on Terror’ is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West* in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending ‘War on Terror’; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’;** which will (5) see the end of NATO.
            ———————————-

            * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

            https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

            ** Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Soviet minister of foreign affairs Eduard Shevardnadze on the upcoming new European union with Russia:

            “Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.” — ‘The Perestroika Deception’, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

            https://ia800305.us.archive.org/27/items/AnatoliyGolitsyn/Golitsyn-ThePerestroikaDeception-TheWorldsSlideTowardsTheSecondOctoberRevolution1995.pdf

            …and more recently…

            “Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans. We are by no means indifferent to developments in united Europe.

            That is why Russia proposes moving toward the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean – a community referred by Russian experts to as “the Union of Europe,” which will strengthen Russia’s potential and position in its economic pivot toward the “new Asia.”’ – Vladimir Putin (2012).

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/putin-russia-changing-world-263/

          • I came to loving you after that post. Your real mission is to recover sense of humour in masses. You are a true Marxist as your posts allow me to spread Marxist propaganda. Hello towarissh! A vintage Soviet medal, still secretly produced for true Marxists, is ready for collection for you.

          • You have to take into account the terror element in Ukraine currently. Parties banned, businesses raided by armed militia sponsored personally by oligarchs, MPs beaten, property burned, artists and journalists banned. They crash Lenin statues, but suppress real freedom of speech of these who are alive and kill civilians in Donbass on ethnic and ideological grounds. Back to the same approach – ideology above human live and freedoms. How are they against Lenin? He used terror too.

          • Those armed ‘militias’ are fronts for Marxists, and they belatedly got into the game of ‘toppling’ Lenin statues, but they don’t damage the statues, carefully removing the statues to the Marxist-atheist ‘hero’ from its base, laying the statue carefully onto a flatbed truck then transporting the statue to a hiding place for safety.

            Slovyansk [Ukraine] Says Goodbye to Lenin: New Ukraine law requires removal of Soviet-era monuments…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1AUgu2LrM0

            And where the Slovyansk Lenin was hidden…

            https://web.archive.org/web/20150908053810im_/https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/s526x296/11329818_848078461953723_3872168082759050128_n.jpg?oh=e2ae86745ca8bd97d654891096829059&oe=55EEB1A1

            The law to take down Lenin statues was naturally passed by Marxists who still control Kiev. Real anti-Communist militias would have destroyed that monument to Lenin, proving that Right Sector is a typical Marxist front group.

            This is how true anti-Communist Ukrainians treat statues of Lenin…

            http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/600×39916.jpg

          • The world is not black and white. At least not for these who chose observation (spectator) as a main tool. Jumping in rage is just not my thing. Even if loyalty to that rage is used as a measure of “civilised” opinion by “majority”. Communism has one big downside -“”dictatorship of propletarium”, planned terror and slater of old power holders and ruling class. Not much difference in approach from Cromwell or French revolution executing the royalty. Bad stuff, no sane person could support it. 70 years on, where communists these monsters in 1990s? Hardly, they were power grabbing elite, as any other elite is, less corrupt by modern measures and a lot more hypocritical, not taking the actual ideology seriously any more. On the whole socialism did the best in brining feudal poor states into being an industrial 100% literate society, but it failed to take the states into the next stage.

            In 1990s Russian people did not like two main things – hypocrisy / lies and poor consumer choice. The later was bigger I am afraid as the public was corrupt by hypocrisy too. Remarkable these two things were not in place in 1917-1950 where people believed into building a better world and had real enemies to fight. So the actual grievances destroyed USSR were not attributed to communist past as such. The only monument people destroyed was Dzherdzhinski (Polish Jew by the way) near the KGB building. The rest of Soviet legacy was taken the way Brits take Cromwell – it is the past which grandparents took seriously, which lost its relevance in present but insane to forgot it, being such a huge learning.

            Russian people had public voting about banning communist party. The overwhelming response was – enough banning, let everybody speak. Freedom was the choice, not rage. You can ask any Russian, as a result there is far more diversity in opinion in Russia now than in the West. Deletion of my posts here just one illustration. I do not abuse anybody. And I do not even claim my opinion is the only way to look at the events. I Just debate. But a step outside the box causes rage. While in modern Russia you can come and tell what you think. People in mass won’t agree more likely, but they won’t shut you down in rage. That is the difference.

    • Roger Hudson

      They would be the Catholic commies, i suppose.
      Just remember Poland is not a country, it has moved around so often over the centuries, it’s a people, a nation.

      • The Vatican was long ago co-opted by Marxists,* which is where the Vatican pedophile operation comes into play…to destroy the moral authority of the Catholic Church per Marx’s “struggle against religion” directives…

        Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

        https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/

        ‘The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.’

        …and…

        ‘The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.’

        …and…

        ‘It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world.’

        https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm
        ————————————–
        * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848 taught Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly, so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions…

        https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

        The Vatican’s co-option took place two years earlier. That’s why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the ‘alternative’ media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

        With the election of Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti as Pope in 1846 (taking the name Pope Pius IX), the Vatican was co-opted at the top position by what would soon become known as Marxists…

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_IX

        …hence the embarrassing edicts on the (1) Immaculate Conception (1854)…

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

        …and (2) Papal Infallibility (1870)…

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

        …both edicts placing their respective subjects on an even level with God’s omniscience! In fact in 1858, just four-years after Pope Pius IX declared Mary to be without sin, Mary took time out from her busy schedule and came down to Earth, informing Bernadette Soubirous…

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernadette_Soubirous

        …that she, Mary, was indeed the Immaculate Conception, born without sin! What marvelous timing, huh!

        Then in 1917 the Marxist government in Portugal, in co-operation with the Vatican, gave us the next fake Marian apparition where Mary tells ten-year-old Lúcia Santos that if everyone prays to her, Mary, then there won’t be an even more terrible war in the future…

        “The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

        Anyone catch it? God isn’t omniscient in this Marxist drama, because Mary says there might be another war! That’s what happens when you leave it up to Marxists to write these scripts, they naturally get it all wrong due to their ignorance of theology, and in this instance God’s omniscience!*

        Mary continues, “To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

        See where Mary says, “In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted…”

        In other words, Mary is telling us there’s no need to wage war against the USSR because the Marxists who control the USSR will magically convert to Russian Orthodoxy! Cleaver, huh? And what happened on December 26, 1991? Marxist Mary was right! Bolshevism collapsed, and Marxists magically became Christians!

      • Jakub Wieczorek

        Lol, Poland has over 1000 years of it’s history of Polish Kingdom and 2-3 thousand years of previous history of tribes.

  • Krzysztof Sienkiewicz

    Bono is
    the worst!

  • What is it about performers that convinces them that large crowds paying good money to watch them perform somehow qualifies them to comment on things they understand rather less well?

  • Ok. Let’s be honest. It is impossible to post openly here. Hello Big brother. Can you hear me?

    • Sue Smith

      “Bugs to Oith, Bugs to Oith….
      “Come in, Bugs”….
      ….get me outta here!!!”

      Bono knows as much about politics as Bugs Bunny does about space travel!!

      • Tim Wobble

        say’s an ‘ academic ‘ …..

  • sir_graphus

    When Bono starts paying proper taxes, then he deserves to have a say in politics. Not until.

    Even then, his opinion is worth no more than that of an average man in the street.

    • Primotivo Primotivo

      No, when he is elected to some kind of public office, then he has a mandate to open his trap and represent his constituents. Until then, he should hold his tongue, even as a singer because his music is pretty awful too.

  • Prima Vera

    Bono you ignorant cabbage!

  • Roger Hudson

    Hasn’t Bono got something to do with pop music? I would trust a hard working Polish builder rather than him.

  • SonOfaGun

    Bono is a marxist, catholic nationalist too. When I think of Poland, I think of sports casual clothing, shaved heads, alcohol, and low skilled labour. Not one of the grand races of Europe.

    • Sue Smith

      Disagree about Poland. Most of you are too young to remember Gadansk (spelling!?) shipyard and the tremendous bravery of the Polish people.

    • You would think whatever it takes to bust own superiority myth. Tells a lot about you and nothing about Poland. Keep on thinking that way, while British kids, being already last on math and science, protest agaist math exams. Less you know, easier to feel superior.

    • Simon Prunty

      Bono is Church of Ireland, aka: a protestant. Even a casual browse at Wikipedia would have told you that…

    • Jakub Wieczorek

      What you think about Poland is actually what it looks like in Russia. Poland is far away from Russia and doesent look like what You describe.

  • Sue Smith

    Is that Bono of the guitar-strumming (note ‘strumming’!) pop musician fame? Just what we need; another rocket scientist!!

  • Andrew Cole

    Bono should worry more about paying taxes instead of avoiding them.

  • John

    It’s important to have people like Bono with an in-depth knowledge of Poland’s history and politics contributing to this debate !
    (mind how you go !)

    • Lawrence James.

      Oh dear ! I thought ‘Bono’ was a brand of dog food ( ‘A Bono a day keeps fleas away’ )and now I find that he is a peddler of vulgar music and humbug.

      • John

        The product in question is “Bonio” my good fellow. And how dare you traduce Bono’s glittering reputation as one of the most profound thinkers in the matter of modern European history (not to mention his encyclopaedic knowledge of Polish history both ancient and modern ) Now away with you , impudent upstart before I set the dogs on you.!
        (and mind how you go !)

    • Lawrence James.

      How true, John. I shall now discuss these issues with my three dogs: one of my Border Terriers has already expressed his views on the treatment of Poland during and after the Versailles Treaty.

  • samton909

    Please remove this article immediately. We must follow our Rock Gods, no matter how stupid they are, no matter how strung out on drugs they are. We now obey the commands of sick minded musicians who, after all, are the only guarantor of the worlds freedoms.

    Hence when washed up Bruce Springsteen tells us to avoid a whole state, we obey, because we are stupid just like them.. When old musicians who can’t get publicity any other way need publicity,they insert their brainless little selves into political controversies – hence Bono, Ringo Starr, Maroon 5 and those other sh for brains musicians who think they can dictate their morals to the world. We obey, oh great washed up ones!

  • Stu

    Bono probably feels he’s an authoirty on Polish politics, because he once wrote a song about Lech Walesa and the Polish Solidarity movement.

  • AlexanderGalt

    I’ve lived and worked in Poland for 20 years with some of the most senior people here and can attest that this is a very good outline of the situation here.

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