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George Galloway's one-man mission to save the Union

'If you're not afraid, you should be' — Galloway's tub-thumping makes the government's campaign look like a pussy cat

16 November 2013

9:00 AM

16 November 2013

9:00 AM

George Galloway is unhappy. One of his interlocutors on Twitter has told him to ‘Fuck off back to England’. Gorgeous George is in Glasgow for the first in a series of roadshows in which he sets out his case for Scotland remaining part of the Union and he’s not going anywhere. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Not even to England.

This will disappoint his many critics. But Galloway has a new, higher calling: saving whatever remains of the British left. To do that he must first save Britain. Which means persuading his fellow Scots they should remain a part of the United Kingdom. Like a latter-day Othello, he loves us not wisely but too well.

‘If I thought Scottish Labour leaders were capable of persuading people to vote no, I wouldn’t need to be here,’ he bellows. Here in Glasgow’s City Halls and nearly 500 souls have paid £12 (plus booking fees) to hear a fedora-sporting Galloway make his case for the Union. If few politicians could command this kind of audience at that kind of price, it still occurs to me that Preacher Galloway is needlessly limiting the size of his flock. Be that as it may, ‘Alistair Darling is a nice fellow but he’s no one’s idea of a leader.’

Time for George, then. In one respect Galloway has a point. The battle for the Union is, in reality, a battle for the hearts and minds of Labour Scotland. These are the voters upon whom the result of the independence referendum will hinge. Many of Tommy Sheridan’s former colleagues in the Scottish Socialist party are part of the yes movement; this week Sir Charles Gray, the former Labour leader of Strathclyde Regional Council, announced he will vote for independence. If the Labour vote can be split, the yes campaign may win.


So George Galloway is David Cameron’s friend in this fight. Perhaps even Cameron’s ‘useful idiot’. Not that Galloway is a Unionist. ‘My flag is red,’ he says, which is why independence is an act of betrayal. Worse, it is a proclamation of false consciousness. A factory worker in Coatbridge has more in common with a factory worker in Consett than either does with their bosses. Class still matters more than bloodlines or borders.

And anyway, if you think a Cuba-on-the-Clyde can be built you are deluding yourself (reader, I confess I found this reassuring). Independence means permanent Tory rule in England. (Not true, but that needn’t detain us.) A low-tax, low-regulation, low-public-spending England will force Scotland to follow suit in a ‘race to the bottom’. Otherwise what business will stay in Scotland? Here too, I found myself wishing Galloway’s prognosis of neoliberal doom might actually -happen.

Socialism in one small Tartan country is impossible. Of course Scotland would not ‘be a Burundi or a Bangladesh’ after independence. But: ‘You need a critical mass of people to stand up to the vicissitudes of global capitalism. Do you really think Scotland is up for that? For being an Albania? For being a Cuba?’ At this point I began to worry we might all be talking at cross-purposes. Besides, what kind of independence is really on offer? Scotland will still have a ‘German queen’ as head of state. It will still be part of Nato, still a member of the EU. Still, above all, keep the pound and be subject to the Bank of England’s authority. If that’s independence, George Galloway is a Zionist banana.

But George isn’t afraid to bring a knife to a public meeting, even his own public meeting. No Roman Catholic should vote for independence, he suggests. Catholics would become scapegoats for Scottish failure. He insists an independent Scotland would be an Orange Scotland. ‘If you’re not afraid of that, you should be.’ He hints that pogroms and perhaps even ethnic cleansing might follow.

Since the Scottish Labour vote will decide the United Kingdom’s future, Galloway’s old-time religion — however contradictory or barmy it may seem — is a useful, if necessarily disreputable, adjunct to the official Unionist campaign. It is a reminder that for all nationalists complain about Unionist ‘scaremongering’, the official campaign is a pussy-cat when compared to Gorgeous George’s approach.

Perhaps a third of those who have paid to hear two hours of Galloway’s tub-thumping rhetoric seem minded to vote for independence. When Galloway suggested, ‘Britain is a big ship, rusting and listing but still a big ship. Getting onto a small boat on the stormy seas of globalised capitalism seems like a bad idea. I’ll stay on the big ship’, many of his comrades seemed ready to abandon George to his fate.

Of course, he may yet abandon us too. It was interesting to hear Galloway talk of ‘you’ when he might have used ‘us’. But then, as he grinned, ‘You can still back me to be the next Mayor of London at 20/1.’

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  • Keith D

    If this Dhimmi fuckwit is supporting the Union then its doomed.

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    • rtj1211

      And you are a Nobel Laureate arising from your diplomacy to resolve tensions around the world, are you?

      • Keith D

        No, but look at the success our elites are making of it.
        And George certainly feels qualified in that respect, to lecture the rest of us.
        He’s not.
        I’m free to comment thank you so much.

        • Will Kettel

          To be fair on George, i’m quite amazed that he fit’s anything into his schedule after pandering to Bradford’s “community leaders” and coining nice little quips for his campaign leaflet’s “God know’s who is a Muslim and He know’s who is not.” Catchy?

          • stealingthunder

            maybe you should take punctuation classes from someone other than your greengrocer

          • Wessex Man

            I didn’t know we were at Grammer School, thought it was a blog.

          • stealingthunder

            didn’t know they spelt ‘grammar’ differently in Wessex. good language skills count in communication, blog or not. try mistyping something in your webbrowser, though google will probably correct it for you.

          • Wessex Man

            No they don’t pal, do grow up if knocking someone for their spelling is the best you can do you should go and have a rest in a dark room!

          • Trofim

            Web browser, or web-browser, please. And have you not heard of capital letters?

          • Will Kettel

            A quite unimaginative and tedious response, next.

          • whs1954

            People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones – you need a capital letter at the start of your sentence and a full stop at the end of it.
            Alternatively we could engage with arguments rather than punctuation.

    • More power to his vocal cords, then!

  • HeHisSelf

    Build Cuba on the Clyde? No just ships. Hard work, thrift and social responsibility are what’s coming after independence Alex. Even you will welcome that.

    • rtj1211

      If it comes.

  • GUBU

    Mr Galloway is clearly more than just the self-serving, cynical old huckster many of us take him to be – he’s also as mad as a box of snakes.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Thought it was “As mad as a box of frogs”.

      • GUBU

        Indeed it is. I should have used ‘bag’ instead.

        Whatever the receptacle, and whatever amphibian or reptile you choose put into it, he’s still completely crackers…

        • Icebow

          Indeed. The epitome of Leftie-dhimmi fuckwittedness.

      • Sanctimony

        “mad as a cut snake”…. Bazza McKenzie…. circa 1970

    • rtj1211

      Perhaps you would like to provide the evidence base for your unsubstantiated smear??

      • GUBU

        ‘Evidence base’? What was I offering – a comment on Galloway’s views or a cure for cancer?

        Gorgeous George has certainly never been troubled by the need to offer an ‘evidence base’ for that motley assortment of views, whether it be his decidedly odd views on what constitutes rape, his penchant for mustachioed Arab dictators, his flirtation with Islam (and Islamism) or his blatant playing of the sectarian card in discussing Scotland.

        But then we are talking about a man who once pretended to be a cat on national television.

        Nonetheless Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability in defending him on this thread.

  • I’d like someone to explain what’s in this “Union” for the English.

    • Baxter Parp

      A shitload of Scottish money.

      • Even if it were a “shit load” of money – which it’s not – it wouldn’t compensate the >260 years where it was the other way round, the bailing of the Darien scheme, the bank bailouts, the preservation of Scottish shipbuilding, the free elderly care, the zero tuition fees etc.

        • Baxter Parp

          Is this satire?

        • Keith D

          Eh?. Scotland spends its budget on what it wants.
          The fact that their Government prioritises the electorate’s wishes is what makes the SNP so attractive.

          Contrast that with the troughung traitors at Westminster.

          • elainesk

            Wyrdtimes ,the man who is anti everything but English…..he wants only English,white people living in his part of country. He’ll lie and distort the truth to call Scots down such is his absolute hatred for all things Scottish. and as thick as shite since he hasn’t a clue about the financial side of Scotland..bitter and nasty!

          • You don’t know me and those aren’t my views.

          • Jambo25

            From what I’ve seen of your other postings, it’s not far from the truth.

          • Really. So show me an anti Scottish or pro white exclusivity post I’ve made anywhere. I’m not anti Scot – I want an English parliament and English independence. That’s not anti Scot. I’m not racist either although I do want an end to the UK parliament’s policy of mass mass immigration into almost exclusively England – but that’s not the same as wanting all “white people” in my part of the country. So either elainesk or Jambo25 lets see these hateful posts I’ve made.

          • Jambo25

            Well your second posting on this site. Completely without foundation but never mind; if it puts the Scots in a bad light, sponging off Mama England, it’s all right with you.

          • You might not agree with it but it’s not anti Scottish – it disagrees with the “shitload of money” comment – but it’s not anti Scottish, Show me a comment about an exclusive white England. You can’t of course because It’s not what I believe and it’s not what I’ve ever said. All very disappointing as Scots nats and English nats should be fighting the common enemy the UK parliament.

        • pax681

          hold on there cowboy.. The Darien scheme…. let me give you a wee history lesson as someone studying for his masters in Scottish history at Edinburgh Uni.
          The Darien scheme did fail anf the reasons are thus…
          1 – some of the trading goods were a crap choice…
          However I think you will find that the blockade of Scottish ships by the English Navy and also the English Crown telling Privateers(govt licensed pirates) it was open season on Scottish ships.
          Now.. while the towns and Burghs themselves weren’t so badly off…… the aristocrats and lords… now they WERE SKINT and thus open to bribery and corruption when it came to the vote…. and while we are at it, did you even know that it was actually an illegally convened parliament in Scotland that passed the act of the union in 1706…
          Remember also the Alien act which made it illegal to employ or trade with any Scots, even those that had lived south of the border for YEARS.
          And BTW Wyrdtimes.. i don’t know what your wealth is.. however i would wager over 100 billion a year isn’t classed as “Not” a shed load of money.
          As for the bank bailouts… seriously… get a grip..lol
          Scotland would have had more than enough to bail out the parts of the banks REGISTERED AS COMPANIES IN SCOTLAND ad to cover the business done within and put through the books in Scotland.
          Remember how it was highly claimed Barclay never got a bail out?
          YES THEY DID.. to the tune of about 545 billion pounds… by America , oh and a dodgy loan from Qatar.
          Your grasp of the genuine realities are astonishingly LOW…
          read the daily fail by any chance me laddo?

          • rtj1211

            How about bailing out all the bits that went tits up due to that Scot, Sir Fred Goodwin??

          • pax681

            Easy as pie to answer rtk1211
            ALL companies, never mind banks do something akin to “compartmentalisation” with their companies it limit liabilities.
            Now while it’s true that goodwin(a total tube) was in the general sense the head of the group… he wasn’t CEO of every RBOS registered company… of which there were many and NOT ALL REGISTERED in Scotland.. there are offices registered as the RBOS (England) limited or somesuch to that effect>
            As that would have been operating and paying taxes.. or as much taxes as they have to pay under successive tory and labour regimes which opened the floodgates through deregulation of the banking system… I digress however..
            Those companies would NOT have to have been bailed out by Scotland.. to say otherwise is at best ignorance or at worst an utter LIE.
            This is why RBOS and Barclays for example were balied out in the hundreds of billions by the US ….
            Barclays was also party to a dodgy loan scheme with Qatar.
            The reason they got bailed out was to stop the toxicity of the insanity of their business spreading to other sectors and causing even more mayhem than actually did.
            MANY COUNTRIES bailed them out.. and by them i mean MANY banks not just RBS and HBOS.
            And btw… both of those companies are transnational corporations.
            Just because they began in Scotland doesn’t mean they are “Scottish” companies…..
            So please TRY to be actually aware of how things work rtj1211 before opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble with sound bites from the better together hand book

          • Wessex Man

            Not very good at teaching history your in University are they, I should demand your fess back! oh

          • pax681

            Actually they are GREAT and have a world class reputation as seat of learning.
            Is that a bit of cognitive dissonance there?? I would hazard a guess that it is hence bringing out the pettiest of trolling in you. 🙂
            What I have factually stated here can even be checked on google.
            It’s hardly some hallowed and sacred knowledge that only those reading history are allowed to possess.

        • pax681

          oh yeah or more simply put… there are 1.5 – 4.4 trillion reasons westminster wants to keep Scotland under tow and that’s just the North Sea oil.. then there’s gas and THEN there’s the oil just off the West coast… oh and the MASSIVE claim off Rockall…. a finite resource as we are always being told which whilst it still has volatility of price due to it’s ever growing scarcity… that price will keep going up and up.

        • pax681

          and while we are at it.. Scotland MORE than pays it’s fair share and gets LESS than half it pays in and still provides stunning services such as the ones you mention… free elderly care, free prescriptions, free education..
          As for ship building…
          I imagine we’ll be ordering some off the Clyde ourselves so that’ll keep em in work 😉

  • Jambo25

    Galloway, the BNP, Orange Order, UKIP. The Union’s strongest supporters. “Oh brave new Better Together world which has such people in’t”

    • Keith D

      I think you’ll find UKIP quite relaxed about Scottish Independence. As are most of the right wing down here.

      People have done the sums.
      41 less Labour MP’s changes everything.

      • Jambo25

        That doesn’t appear to be UKIP policy though.

        • Keith D

          Aye, nor is it Tory policy.
          Neither would be stressed if it happened. Milliband would though.

      • David Lindsay

        On no occasion has Labour been elected with the majority of English seats. On no occasion since the War has the Scottish result altered the overall outcome. England does not begin and end in Surrey.

        • Keith D

          Thats true David but with a guaranteed 40 less Labour MP’s it gives the right a bit more leeway in terms of policy making and electoral presentation.
          A leeway thats evidently very much needed.
          And I thought it began and ended in Sussex. Silly me.:)

        • Kennybhoy

          Jesus Maister L! Two hits in a row! lol

        • Jambo25

          Yes it has 64 and 74.

          • pax681

            that was only on parliamentary votes… and NOT on election results Jambo

          • Jambo25

            Labour formed the government on all 3 occasions and wouldn’t have without Scottish MPs. I do take the point though that from 1959, when the Tories began to hit the skids in Scotland to the present day; Scotland has had 30 years of Tory governments it didn’t vote for.

        • CraigStrachan

          I’m fairly sure Labour did not win a majority of English seats in 1950, 1964 or Feb 1974.

      • Richard Ferguson

        You assume that following secession, that the electoral arithmetic in the rest of the UK remains unchanged. I think this would be unlikely. Too many other variables would come into play.

    • Kennybhoy

      And I was just getting to like you too Maister J…

      🙁

    • Kennybhoy

      “Oh brave new Better Together world which has such people in’t”

      Whereas you lot have the likes of allymax bruce? rotflmfao

      • Jambo25

        Not actively supporting, at organisational level, the ‘Yes’ campaign. If we’re getting down to individuals then ‘Better Together’ have as their main financial backer, Mr Ian Taylor whose company Vitol has a rather interesting history including deals with Serbian war criminal Arkan and illegal payments to the old Saddam Hussein regime. allymax bruce may not be yours or my cup of tea but I don’t think he has done deals with mass murderers.

    • rtj1211

      I think you’ll find that the Labour Party, Conservative Party and Liberal Democrat Party are the strongest supporters by numbers.

      • Jambo25

        But they still have some really yummy pals in Galloway, BNP,UKIP, Orange Order et al.

  • beeswing

    Galloway is the most disengenous man the world has seen, His envy of Alex Salmond eats away at him, But above all he will do or say anything for money,

    • pkoduah

      Who’s paying him to speak in favour of British Union?

  • pax681

    Galloway always has been and always will be an opportunistic “ambulance chaser” type.
    He speaks for no one in Scotland and has no mandate to do so.
    He is unelectable in Scotland.
    He is so divisive even all his councillors resigned..LOL
    Go away George.. yah useless numptie!

    • Graeme S

      Galloway is an opportunist …. however he does speak , he speaks for the Muslim community, no one elese

      • pax681

        No Graeme.. as we bth agree he is an opportunist.
        He spotted a chance to work his divide and conquer on a new religious divide… just transfering his skillset from one place to another.
        Funny how the orange lodge though say of independence “Home Rule is Rome Rule” and the catholics and the behest of morons like Galloway say “hole rule is hun rule”.(ie orange protestant)…
        Labour also pull the same crap up here…… and in Glasgow.. they even had a special hustings for the orange order to say to them ” help labout get in and we’ll rop the restrictions on your marches”.. which they did when they got in…..
        And this at the same time as labour scaring catholics about this and that…
        IT’S PATHETIC THAT IN THIS DAY AND AGE , the 21st century, this same old crap keeps getting played and played anfd people let it be done… and by hideous wee prats like galloway.

  • George Mcmillan

    Keeping Scotland in the union to stop the England from constant Tory rule. Eh naw ya bawbag. Galloway your a disgust to your countrymen

    • elainesk

      He is so up his own arse that he genuinely believe Scots like him….thats why he lost the seat in Glasgow…….lol

      • CraigStrachan

        George Galloway, the Teddy Taylor of the Left!

    • rtj1211

      He’s a disgust to those of you who want independence.

      What about the silent majority that don’t??

      • Go out an vote on the day – Scotland is a democracy, so you can drop the passive-aggressive victim stance.

  • Paul

    Fuck off George, the man who supports self determination for every nation bar Scotland. I would have thought you would have learned your lesson when you got 3.3% of the vote last time you stood for election here..

    • David Lindsay

      TRhe referendum is self-determination. The result will be the expression of self-determination. Let’s see what it is. Not that you don’t already know.

      • Kennybhoy

        A palpable hit !

      • Paul

        I don’t remember Mr Galloway supporting the call for a referendum

        • rtj1211

          He was happy as is but has respected the will of the Scottish people in the elections to the Scottish Parliament last time around. His political strategy doesn’t have to be defined by you, you know.

          • Paul

            Thanks for that. At the end of the day, he is entitled to his opinion, I take back the expletives used earlier. I would like to add I very much respect with and agree with his views on Iraq/Afganistan/Libya/BahrainPalastine/Isreal and Syria.

    • rtj1211

      He does support self-determination for Scotland, what he doesn’t support is the outcome of that self-determination being pre-determined.

      You are the one who doesn’t believe in self-determination because, if you did, you’d understand that everyone in the UK is entitled to have their say and campaign how they choose to.

  • Gary Paterson

    A lot of nonsense to make non-evidenced claims that an independent Scotland would be an ‘Orange Scotland’… the Orange Order are campaigning with George on the same side to stay in the Union, not go independent.

    • Bonkim

      Sectarianism is alive and healthy in Scotland.

      • Jambo25

        Actually, it really isn’t. Unionists like Galloway are attempting to keep it alive. More disgracefully, so is Labour in certain areas. They will scrape the bottom of any barrel to keep the Union alive.

        • Bonkim

          Galloway apart look up sectarianism in Scotland from Scotiish references included Glasgow City Reports.

          • Jambo25

            Unfortunately for you, in the longer term, if not next year the vast majority of Scots no longer self identify as British. In the last census 62% of Scots identified as solely Scottish and another 18% (I think) as Scottish then British.

          • Bonkim

            No different to the vast majority in England stating their identity as English in survey forms – Not many are clamouring for a separate English Parliament though.

          • Jambo25

            I think the world you’re looking for is’yet’. ‘Britishness’ has been hollowed out and is dying as an identity.

          • Bonkim

            National identities are always evolving – for example what was English/British in say the mid-20th century was different from that in the late Victorian era, which in turn had evolved from what it was in the early19th century. Each generation is the sum total of the previous generations and with time memory becomes dim and what is imagined is coloured with today’s expectations. Language, food, working and leisure habits, even language changes significantly and many of today’s youngsters will find it difficult to converse with say a late Victorian English Lady. Also what we imagine to be English is also tinted with upper class aspirations – not that of the majority working people. The elite set the standards that everyone aspires to and follow.

            So when you say hollowed out – means nothing, it is what you expect.

  • HenBroon

    Galloway is the political equivalent of the village idiot. He is cheap nasty and vain. And has a mouth whose gums bleed every twenty eight days. Watching him on You Tube, licking the arse of Saddam Hussein has made me utterly despise the wee arrogant shit. His latest reinvention is to adopt an Iranian fruitcake accent as he seeks to make himself windswept and interesting. I cannot believe that 500 people in Glasgow were gullible enough to pay £12 to see this arsehole. There must be a dearth of entertainment in the old city.

    • Bonkim

      But he comes out with gems now and then.

    • rtj1211

      Perhaps the people who did wouldn’t pay £12 to watch your heroes spouting shit??

  • zanzamander

    No Roman Catholic should vote for independence, he suggests. Catholics
    would become scapegoats for Scottish failure. He insists an independent
    Scotland would be an Orange Scotland. ‘If you’re not afraid of that, you
    should be.’ He hints that pogroms and perhaps even ethnic cleansing
    might follow.

    What is a converted Muslim doing advising Christians about ethnic cleansing in a predominantly (but give it a few years) Christian country while Christians are being wiped out (murdered, gang raped (a popular past time in Pakistan), harassed, evicted, forcefully converted) of their ancient homelands right across the Muslim world?

    He becomes a Muslim in London (a Muslim city) and a concerned Christian in Scotland. GG is nothing but an opportunist scoundrel.

    • Bonkim

      or a realist.

      • Keith D

        No. He’s a taqqiya spouting evil turd.

    • rtj1211

      That’s real bollocks. No-one outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire gives a toss about Orange vs IRA. Never met a Highlander north of the Great Glen who cared to even talk of it. No-one north of Perth either. Never met one in Aberdeen.

      Tell you what: why not re-enact the Battle of the Boyne the week before Independence Referendum day so you can kill all the terrorists, fanatics and fantasists before you actually use the 20th century methods of resolving differences?

      The majority in Scotland would pay good money to watch them tear each other to pieces, secure in the knowledge that the policing bill for Glasgow would drop 25% forevermore.

      • Jambo25

        Nobody in the Edinburgh area or Dumfries and Galloway cares either.

        • Kennybhoy

          Caca on stilts.

          • Jambo25

            I suppose it is if you name yourself Kennybhoy. You’ll see anti-Catholic sectarianism everywhere. But really, apart from a few sad sos and sos I bump into at Tynie there aren’t any. Except, that is, when the lovable Tims come to visit for an away game. A good 40 odd minutes of ‘Rebel’ songs and choruses of “You can stick your effing poppies up your a..e.” always goes well with the waving of the Irish Tricolours and for some weird reason, Palestinian flags.

          • Kennybhoy

            Ad hominem caca Maister J. And particularly rich coming from one who also chose the name of his team as a pseud…

            Back in June 2011 an English nationalist hereabouts took the same tack. I will repeat what I wrote back then…

            “I am indeed a Celtic supporter. As I have pointed out to you on at least one previous occasion that I can recall, that and that alone is what the word bhoy signifies. I am also, as you are well aware, a devout Catholic and a former soldier. As I have previously mentioned in this blog, during the thirty years that I spent under the colours I served two full and two emergency tours across the water. As I patrolled the streets and fields of Ulster I might as well have had a target on my chest reading “Brit Bastart!” and another on my back reading “Fenian Bastart!” I have upon too many occasions seen the effects of both Republican and “Loyalist” violence up close and very personal indeed. That you should yet again seize upon this entirely irrelevant aspect of my background …”

            In response to a further reference to my chosen pseud by the same English nationalist I continued:

            “Hyperbolic flatulence! It attests to no such thing you intellectually and morally challenged wee man! Any more than the allegiance of any other rational and law abiding football fan attests to their support of a lunatic minority who wear the same colours! For the record and by way of comparison, this Celtic and Scotland daft Bhoy has always considered the mainstream media’s use of the phrase “The English Disease” to characterize all English football fans, and by implication English folk in general, as potentially homicidal hooligans to be intellectually sloppy, morally repugnant and borderline racist!”

            Jambo you do realize that these posts of your’s above go a long way towards making Galloway’s point…?

            You really do dissapoint me Maister J. I thought that I had finally found a nationalist that I could engage with hereabouts. Maybe I should have known better…

          • Jambo25

            The problem is Kennybhoy that while Hearts has it’s small group of saddos Celtic has acquired a very large group of eejits who, unfortunately, have given their team an air of not just un-Scottishness but of uber ‘Oirish’ anti-Scottishness. I know that this isn’t a majprity of Celtic fans but it is a large minority so when I see a pseudonym with ‘bhoy’ in it I get a bit sus.

            Strangely enough, I was talking about this with a group of Hearts and Celtic supporting pals over a lunchtime pint today and we weren’t sure about where this came from. Celtic always was a team with Catholic Irish traditions but the super Irishness was never there. I remember going to Tynie to watch Hearts v Celtic matches in the great Stein days in the 60s and 70s. There was the usual inter fan slagging but nothing like the poisonous atmosphere there has been at Tynie for Celtic visits over the past 5 or 10 years. I can remember fans walking through each other to change ends at half time,

            The big joke used to be “Who was the only Mason ever to win the European Cup?” The answer was obviously Stein although 2 or 3 of his players would have qualified as well. It’s now quite difficult to imagine Stein as Celtic manager. Some group of paranoid headcases, like the Green Brigade, would hound him out. The rise of the cloying identification with Irishness was never there, in the past either.

            At a point where the vast bulk of Scottish society really has moved into a post religious present and the Scottish hierarchy is a bit more than mildly Scotnat friendly a section of the more ‘professionally Catholic’ types like Galloway seem to be using sectarianism as a way to combat nationalism. Frankly, I smell a very big rat. Also, strangely enough, the mirror image eejits of the Hun supporting variety are also being wooed by Labour over in Glasgow as a way of keeping their client vote loyal.

          • JimmyLinton

            You really don’t know what you’re on about. I’m at a loss to understand why you and others constantly try to underplay this problem. Christian Sectarianism and casual bigotry are alive and well in Scotland, and will play a part in the future of Scotland, whatever happens. It’s big in the west of Scotland, but, in reality, it’s all over.

          • Jambo25

            No it isn’t. It exists but is now a minor problem.

        • CraigStrachan

          Hmm. Isn’t the James Connolly Society always parading about Edinburgh?

          • Jambo25

            Not that often. Do you wish to stop people parading under the name of a man born and brought up in Edinburgh? My grandparents used to go to St Pat’s church along with members of Connolly’s family and neighbours.

          • CraigStrachan

            Not at all. But if they are parading, they obviously care. You said nobody in Edinburgh did.

          • Jambo25

            So? I’ve seen all sorts of parades, in Edinburgh, from animal rightists to feminists. It doesn’t mean that they are major forces in Scottish society.

          • CraigStrachan

            So not nobody in Edinburgh cares. Some folk care enough to make spectacles of themselves.

          • Jambo25

            So the James Connolly Society are making spectacles of themselves. It’s all part and parcel of living in a democratic society.

          • CraigStrachan

            No doubt.

          • Jambo25

            Well, do you want to ban people from marching or demonstrating in favour of legitimate political aims and objectives?

          • CraigStrachan

            As I already said, not at all. I don’t mind the Connolly Society marching any more than I mind the Orange Order marching. They have a perfect right to walk the Queen’s highway. I wouldn’t choose to be present in either case if I could avoid it, but that’s me. Not big on crowds.

          • Jambo25

            I agree entirely.

      • Keith D

        What?.
        Try Ayrshire, Renfrewshire or Wigtownshire.
        And thats just in the West.

        I agree no one should care, but they do.
        As do the busloads going to Ibrox or Parkhead from places like Thurso every week.

        • Jambo25

          I know south Ayrshire and ‘Wigtownshire’ (Actually now D&G) rather well and very few I’ve ever met do care.As for Galloway’s view that an independent Scotland would be an Orange Scotland. Well the man is simply mad. Scotland is now a clearly post-religious society and I rather sorrowfully write that as a card carrying Church of Scotland member.

          • Keith D

            Its not a topic for parlour conversation is it?.

            We’ve been here before and I can truthfully attest to having lived near Stranraer and in East Ayrshire.
            Also in Paisley.
            Saturdays after an OF encounter were usually busy for plod.
            But we’ve been here before and wont agree.

            I genuinely hope your view is correct.
            All the best.

          • Jambo25

            I can believe there are some real knuckle draggers in East Ayrshire and Paisley. Moonlight over New Cumnock is a sight to behold. What you’ve got to remember is that it really isn’t the people there’s fault. East Ayrshire was coal country and when it was convenient the NCB and state simply walked away leaving the people high and dry.

          • Keith D

            They did leave people high and dry. Moonlight over New Cumnock? Not a pretty visual.

            Now, if you’d said Auchinleck……..
            Anyway, the weekend beckons.

          • Jambo25

            Any view of New Cumnock is not a pretty sight. The really horrid thought is that there are old mining and industrial villages and towns in England and Wales which are actually worse.

          • CraigStrachan

            Well, Stranraer is where the ferries come in, bringing all those dedicated supporters from across the water, so that makes sense I suppose.

            But Paisley is busy for plod on Saturdays, OF encounter or no. It’s still Paisley.

          • Jambo25

            Ferguslie Park. West Beirut refused twinning arrangements with it.

          • Jambo25

            It’s worse when local juniour teams take on each other.

      • Kennybhoy

        “No-one outside Glasgow and Lanarkshire gives a toss about Orange vs IRA.”

        Caca.

        • Jambo25

          See above.

  • Tom Tom

    Stop over-hyping this story. Scots will not leave a Union that saved them after the Darien Scheme collapsed Scottish banks……..they know a good thing

    • Kennybhoy

      “Stop over-hyping this story.”

      Oh ffs Tom Tom they have magazines to sell and internet traffic to generate!

  • Rupert Rigsby

    Galloway is on record as a”Proud Irishman”. As a long-standing member of the SNP I can assure him there is a great deal of fraternal affection for Ireland in the party. There is none whatsoever for the Orange Order!

  • allymax bruce

    George is not seeing the full picture; if he thinks our Independent Scotland is more of the same religious cringe-politics, that Labour embed themselves in, for their Marxist cause, then George is very short-sighted. Our Independent Scotland will be progressive, forward-looking, and modern; not some Orange, Protestant, Freemason freehold; those days are finished, George. In-deed, I’m very much looking forward to our intelligent Scots’ wimmen taking over our instituted politics, business, and economic forums; they, (except Labour wummen), have no truck with ego-maniac ideals that these weirdo Freemason, trade-union instituted goat-riding, harim abif boffers partake in. The trade-union horror show at Grangemouth was the last straw for trade-union bullying. It’s time to move our Scottish Nation Forward to Independence, forward to a modern culture where Scots’ women take the reigns of power; leading the family & extended family back to a valued entity in our Scots culture again. I’m even in favour of Lord Carloway’s Justice proposals; I have to commend Lord Carloway, and Justice Secretary MacAskill for their forward thinking, forward looking perspectives, this is definitely the right way Forward for Scotland. Scottish women can have it all, but it’s them that needs to make it, design it, and function it; men have failed badly in their self-styled egos to meet these new 21st century frontiers.
    George; New Scotland, New ideas!
    allymax.

    • Kennybhoy

      F**k off yah Jew hating bampot!

      • ChuckieStane

        Is that aimed at Alymax or Galloway?

        • Kennybhoy

          Allymax but the same goes for Galloway.

          • Icebow

            Either could be a reincarnation of William McGonagall in his delusional enthusiasm.

      • rtj1211

        Do remind me which Parliamentary seat you are standing for?

        • Kennybhoy

          You have lost me…?

    • rtj1211

      Highly sexist implying that only women can rule Scotland, but if that’s what all Scottish men want, fine!

      • allymax bruce

        rtj1211, smearing someone as sexist, (homophobic, racist, bigoted, etc), has no credit in a ‘grown-up’ debate; it certainly isn’t an argument on topic! Your assertion is merely a function of smear, that attempts to close down any argument in the debate; you partake in the low-life cringe-politics of Labour style. There’s a few r’sholes on here now, I never expected you would stoop to their pig-thick smearing level.
        Now, consider this; all political systems are placated by the elite ruling Class, that always push-policy that maintains their Class ‘privileges’. The only way to break through these Class policymaking constrainsts, (that keep the Middle-class oppressed, working class subjugated, and the underclass despised), is to change the way policymaking is done. That can only be done by changing the Political Order, which creates the Political System, that makes & maintains Class-separation policymaking. To do this, an overhaul of how the Political system is ruled; an ‘us & them’ political system, of ‘divide & conquer’ politics/policymaking is how the elite ruling Class maintain their status, political order, and must be replaced by the opposite; an egalitarian ideal of political system/order. Thus, if we enfranchise those that are used against us, (Women), to take the reins of power, then we disenfranchise the elite ruling Class, who cannot maintain the Class separation Political System! Moreover, eradicating Class separation Political Systems will also eradicate all the Imposition policies forced on us, that disenfranchise us; like Equality! No need for Equality when the whole Political System is egalitarian, & fair!
        Simple!
        Besides, why would it be sexist to want a better Political System of representation, that makes better, more fair, policymaking for the people of Scotland?
        You let me down rtj1211; I thought you were more clever than that. Seems you’re just like the other imbeciles spouting pash on here.

  • dougthedug

    George is rather late to the independence party and though perhaps he injects a little more passion than usual the arguments he offers are well worn in Scotland.

    He doesn’t actually make a case for the union but just repeats all the Private Fraser style, “We’re all doomed”, warnings we’ve become used to from Better Together on what will happen in an independent Scotland.

    What’s on the tick list?

    Economic doom. Tick.
    Religious Sectarianism. Tick
    Class solidarity means no Scotland. Tick
    We’ll doom England to the Tories. Tick
    It’s not really independence. Tick
    We’re better together. Tick

    We’ve heard it all before in Scotland and the only difference between George Galloway and the rest of Better Together is that because nothing he says is new George tends to shout.

    George likes empires and doesn’t like to see them go and he’s sad about the emergence of Estonia and the other Baltic republics from the wreckage of the USSR. “I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life.” as he said to the Guardian. In the light of that it doesn’t make his attitude to an independent Scotland much of a surprise.

    What he fears most is the diminishing of Britain, the British Establishment and the Westminster Parliament. If the stage gets smaller George the eternal rebel’s profile gets smaller with the stage. His flag is not just red, it’s got white and blue in it as well.

    I wonder if he’s got the insight to ever wonder why he’s fighting on the same side as David Cameron?

  • stealingthunder

    Great to see Galloway sticking up for the ‘union’. Come on Scotland the brave, the future is yours for the taking. And the rest of the ‘UK’ should be delighted no longer to have idiots like this exported south.

  • Gary Ross

    If ever there was a reason to vote for independence then the very fact George is in the “Better Together” camp is a good enough reason. Even if it’s just to escape the stench of the double-dealing, lying, greedy, Dhimmi.

  • Coleridge1

    Why do people describe Galloway as on the left? He isn’t. He supports the islamofascists of Hamas who at article 7 of their Charter call for all Jews to be killed. He is paid hundreds of thousands of pound to appear as a propagandist for the women-stoning Gay-hanging islamofascist regime in Tehran.He has been awarded honors by the racist apartheid state of Pakistan.
    Galloway is no leftist. He is an islamoNazi.

    • JimmyLinton

      If you think “leftist’s” and “leftist” regimes are incapable of perpetrating the nasty things you list above, you need a history lesson.

  • Wessex Man

    This is the same bloke who when on the Question Time broadcast from Scotland after Nigel Farage had been abused cut to pieces some latter day ‘Braveheart’ who tried to say that Scots were attacked regularly on the streets of England and then a woman panel members who actually said that. “I kid you not one in four of Londoners are millionaires.’ The fact that this woman was a Scottish politician says all we need to know about the level of debate in Scotland.

    You might not agree with what he says but in that instance, he cut through the nastiness and lies of what this debate has become and I admire him for it!

  • whs1954

    With friends like these…

  • KingCuilean

    psst…George…. you’re now on the same side as the Grand Orange Order of Scotland…. *swivel eyes*

  • Bryan Ward

    Any tips on opposing the evil turdlette Galloway? I am quite liberal and for fair treatment to Palestinians etc but this guy wants extreme Islam to dominate the world?! An enemy tp progressive Muslims & all fair minded folk alike I would say. A complete wacko! How on earth is he allowed to run for office? I left him a little note on his fb page that I was looking forward to opposing him. Can you help? Articles I should read? Anything? ~ From across the pond.

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