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Spectator letters: In defence of women ministers, Handel and lefty sex

26 July 2014

9:00 AM

26 July 2014

9:00 AM

Give the women a chance

Sir: Melissa Kite’s article about the reshuffle seems downright unfair (‘A misogynistic reshuffle’, 19 July). Whatever David Cameron’s motives may be, the women he has promoted to cabinet and other posts in his government are presumably intelligent and hardworking and have certainly demonstrated great stamina. This is true of anyone who reaches these levels in politics. They are no doubt excited to be facing extremely tough challenges, but they must also be quite nervous. Instead of giving them congratulations and encouragement, the best Ms Kite can offer is a prediction that none of them will be very successful.
Colin Angwin
London W14

Media circus

Sir: The Inquisition flames on your front cover of 12 July burn savagely but irresponsibly. For instance: those of us who have had the privilege of knowing Leon Brittan since university see him as gentle, civilised and an intellectual giant. The idea of him committing the crime of which he has been accused is absurd and unthinkable.

It raises the question of who among police and prosecutors is behind this media circus. Who is allowing the leaking of such stories, apparently without disciplinary sanction? It will be no surprise if decent and dutiful people avoid public life in future: we will all be the poorer.
Sir Humphry Wakefield
Chillingham Castle, Northumberland

The tragedy of Wales

Sir: As I read Christopher Gage’s article on the catastrophic misgovernment of Wales since devolution (‘The betrayal of Wales’, 12 July), I felt great sadness for what the people in Wales have had to endure under the Welsh Assembly. The old guard have maintained their stranglehold on Welsh politics, and we have to put up with ex-council clerical assistants pretending to know about business and wrecking any attempt to create jobs. People who work for local authorities are still told by those with power in the councils who to employ. Any real talent in areas that matter has long since crossed Offa’s Dyke.


I am suffering from being on the wrong side of the dyke. I was diagnosed with a cancer in my kidney in January, and arrived for my surgery in May to be turned away due to a lack of beds. I hope that next week my operation will go ahead.

I voted against devolution, anticipating the misgovernment that has ensued. Those of us who knew how it really worked in Wales could see what was coming.
Avril Thomas
Llwyngwril, Gwynedd

Why not learn Welsh?

Sir: Wales is indeed a wonderful place (Letters, 18 July). I hope that the Birmingham man quoted as coming to Wales to get away from ‘immigrants’ will, as an immigrant himself, show respect for our Welsh language and culture. Perhaps he might even consider learning Welsh.
Siwan ap Gwilym
Cardiff

Worse than the disease

Sir: Mr Heilbrunn’s article on removing President Obama from office (‘Obama’s dearest enemies’, 12 July) fails to discuss the central problem with impeaching him: the aftereffect of the remedy would be far worse than the current malaise. Under the American constitution, impeaching President Obama would necessarily result in the automatic promotion of his vice president — and who could possibly stomach the thought of a President Biden between now and the 2016 election?
David Clayton Carrad
Augusta, Georgia

Impartial judgment

Sir: How can Fran Unsworth claim that the BBC is impartial and then state that before any view is expressed on air the listener should know whether it represents a majority or minority view (Letters, 19 July)? Does that not prejudge the matter by implying that if a view, such as Lord Lawson’s on climate change, is a minority view then it is by extension the wrong view?

To be impartial the BBC must present all views without any such prefatory remark, respect the listener’s intelligence and let him or her form his or her own opinion on the basis of what is said.
Eric Brown
Bromley, Kent

Handel and the Jews

Sir: I cannot speak for Handel’s librettist for the Messiah, Dr Jennens. But I am certain that Handel himself would have eschewed any intention of upsetting London’s Jews, who were great fans of his biblical oratorios (‘Handling Handel’, 19 July). When his oratorio Theodora failed in 1749, he complained: ‘The Jews will not come to it because it is a Christian story, and the ladies will not come because it is a virtuous one.’ It is however rumoured that the cantor of the Great Synagogue, Myer Lyon, who doubled as an opera star under the name of Michaele Leone, was dismissed by the congregation for singing in Messiah, an early failure of multicultural co-operation.
David Conway
Kiev, Ukraine

Left in bed

Sir: Cosmo Landesman’s conclusions on sex and politics (‘Swinging right’, 19 July) are at odds with my own. Lefties may be less evolved, but I have always thought the fact that they are more in tune with their baser instincts gives them a crucial edge over their more politically enlightened sisters. I have endured many horrendous dinners that felt like listening to simultaneous rants from Polly Toynbee and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (both exempt from my conclusion), only to discover to my delight that the PC puritanism was abandoned at the bedroom door. In the bedroom lefties are invariably wilder, less inhibited and more subservient. It is the one area where they really do know what’s in a boy’s best interest.
Richard Thoburn
London EC1

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  • Richard Thoburn

    Whilst I understand the need to edit letters for the sake of brevity, I fear your edit to my letter ‘Left in bed’ could do serious damage to my reputation. After the names Polly Toynbee and Yasmin Alibhai Brown you removed “(both exempt from my conclusion)”. In view of the fact that you are now running a picture of the truly appalling YAB next to the headline “In defence of lefty sex” I think that was a pretty crucial omission.

    • Holly

      I must admit I did get that ‘impression’ and it will live with me forever…YUK.
      Thank you for your clarification, you have just gone back up in my estimation.

    • Camilla Swift

      Dear Richard, I’m very sorry about the edit and the manner in which it changed your letter. I have edited it online to reflect the original. Please take my word for it that our subs had no intention of damaging your reputation!
      Very best,
      Camilla

      • ButcombeMan

        Surely the fact that he was prepared to “enjoy” these horrendous dinners with women who rant like like Toynbee or YAB, just for the sake of satisfying his libido, marks him down as fairly desperate?

        • Liz

          Marks him down as a fantasist. The guy doesn’t get invited for dinners.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Now this has to be a first.

        • Wessex Man

          A nice one though!

      • Liz

        What on earth are you doing Camilla? Is this what you dreamed of when you thought you’d be a journalist when you grew up?

        • Wessex Man

          She’s having a laugh with us, something you seem to have difficulty in doing!

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Gawd! It’s the Creature From the BME Lagoon.

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  • Cherry Blossoms Doonan

    !!! How Dr.Ukaka Save My Broken Heart Of Marriage Today !!!

    My Name is Robert Rivas .I will love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our weeding for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She deleted me on her Facebook and she changed her Facebook status from married to Single…when i went to her place of work she told her boss she never want to see me..i lost my job as a result of this cos i cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life…I tried all i could do to have her back to all did not work out until i met a Man when i Travel to Africa to execute some business have been developing some years back..I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job…he told me he gonna help me…i don’t believe that in the first place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days..then i travel back to US the following day and i called him when i got home and he said he’s busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days that is Thursday…My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:35pm on Thursday and apologies for all she had done ..she said,she never knew what she’s doing and her sudden behavior was not intentional and she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my wife called and he said i haven’t seen anything yet… he said i will also get my job back in 2 days time..and when its Sunday,they called me at my place of work that i should resume working on Monday and they gonna compensate me for the time limit have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with kids and i have my job back too,This man is really powerful..if we have up to 20 people like him in the world,the world would have been a better place..he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting the man for help.you can mail him on this e-mail; freedomlovespell@hotmail.com i cant give out his number cos he told me he don’t want to be disturbed by many people across the world..he said his email is okay and you can also contact him on his web site: freedomlovespelltemple.yolasite.com

  • Smithersjones2013

    The idea of sharing a room with a Harman, Toynbee or YAB or similar is truly chilling . Such concepts should only be discussed AFTER the 10pm watershed with warnings about the terrifying nature of the topic and then only in the most general of terms.

    PS And I bet Thorburn’s supply of leftie tail soon ran out once the word got round the coven that he is only interested in their bodies!

    • Richard

      Toynbee was stunning when she were a girl.

      • Wessex Man

        careful!

  • lakelander

    This article appears to be implying that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is a good sh@g.

    Might she not be offended?

    • Suzy61

      Oh please…don’t worry. The Lady is always, always permanently and consistently offended. Indeed, some say she is a professional ‘offence-taker’ so this may even spin to her advantage.

    • Liz

      Of course it’s the place of the Spectator. What is the Spectator other than a vehicle for being rude and patronising to women?

      • Wessex Man

        why do you keep coming back then?

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  • Wessex Man

    What a load of rubbish, lefty women are no fun at all in bed, thet don’t shave their armpits and most of them smell worse than a ground worker after eight hours work in the sun.

    Right wing women always,always stir your cockles.

  • Angela Horne

    in other words integrate with leftys…being good in bed is not remarkably difficult (maybe it is rocket science for Yasmin?) besides, feminists were the ones who wanted sexual separatism, gender apartheid – hypocrisy much?

  • Mike

    I guess even female lefties have one redeeming feature and perhaps in bed their mouths are more occupied in other matters than ranting !

    • Liz

      Yeah, yawning or grinding their teeth. Listening to boring Tory boys droning on about their pedestrian sexual tastes and rude opinions about women.

      • Wessex Man

        oh do get a sense of humour!

  • Terry Field

    Socialism is inherently amoral and irresponsible.
    Irresponsible sex is fun but leaves the potential for disease – just as socialist economics leaves the potential for social and economic disease.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Bit of a mishmash, right?

  • Liz

    Is this magazine a parody?

  • Liz

    “In the bedroom lefties are invariably wilder, less inhibited and more subservient. ”

    I think you might be confusing subservience with the passivity that comes with ennui.

  • Liz

    “I have endured many horrendous dinners that felt like listening to simultaneous rants from Polly Toynbee and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (both exempt from my conclusion)”

    Gutted.

    Because Polly and Yasmin undoubtedly were trying to attract you, Richard Thoburn.

    Now stop being so puritanical, get over there and have your bum smacked like a good Tory Boy.

    • Richard Thoburn

      Liz,
      Judging from the number of your replies and their tone of righteous, leftist indignation….
      I wondered if you might be free for dinner?

      • Liz

        EC1 is a long way to travel for chauvinist Tory sex. Are you mobile?

        • Richard Thoburn

          Not until September – but when I get back you can rest assured that for a lefty like you, I will be as mobile as you like.

  • Picquet

    Thank God for the exclusion zone Mr Thoburn erected in his confession. I was deeply worried there for a while.

  • rtj1211

    IN defence of diverse sexual tastes:

    How you view women/girls in bed is entirely dependent on what gets you up for it.

    If you enjoy gentle, submissive, admiring women, maybe you’ll think they are found in one kind of politics.

    If you are turned on by a dominatrix in leather, whips and punishment, maybe another.

    If you enjoy a dirty talking woman who begs you to spank her, maybe another.

    If you enjoy a horsy type who gets down to it in bed with gusto but doesn’t spend too long endlessly talking about it, maybe another.

    Which kind of women you enjoy will determine in its entirety what your views on whether Left or Right-leaning women are ‘better in bed’.

    And the probably reality is that you can’t badge most in such simple terms. Maybe the extremists are more badgeable, but the middle 90% – probably far more shades of gray??

  • Mr Smith

    Jacqui Smith can be on my right wing any night of the week.

    • Wessex Man

      have you got any new DVDs mate?

      • Mr Smith

        Try xhamster.

  • Angela Horne

    i want yasmin’s top tip about a man’s tackle…a ladylike euphemism/s will do

  • Archibald Heatherington

    Based on my experience of no sex of any kind, I think it’s only fair to conclude that women of all politics are equally good in bed.

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  • Picquet

    The sheer horror of the juxtaposition of the sentiment with that photograph has overcome me. I need whisky.

  • George Smiley

    Jews and Mohammedans have always been the two different sides—one side rough and thoroughly rusty, whilst half of the other side finely cut and polished, but rust remain on the other half of it—of the same coin, except by the end of the 19th. century, the Jews had successfully taken over not only the City of London, but also established themselves also as bankers, brokers and underwriters in New York City, so to say what the Jews really were, vis-à-vis the Indo-European Latin European Christian Western civilisation, Protestant or Roman Catholic, gradually became inconvenient, awkward and politically-unacceptable.

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