If you’re stupid enough to let migrants in, at least treat them as people

We were on our way to a party in south-east London when my friend, Rob, saw the graffiti. Sprayed with painful neatness on a wall: ‘Support Jeremy’. It suited the area so well — a small quadrant of our capital city that the inhabitants I dare say still think is ‘edgy’, even now after they’ve got rid of all the blacks and the white working class by pricing them out of the market. Artisan bread shops and ‘community’ pubs and vegetarian cafés.

Whereas once the occupants of this enclave were engaged in actual work — plumbers, electricians, drug dealers etc. — now I would wager almost all of them get their wages from you via grants and the NHS and what have you. They are the relentlessly politically aware middle-class white people who have swarmed into the Labour party and are forever demanding something called ‘change’. The graffiti could have been better only if the writer had possessed the balls and the time to write what he or she really felt, to wit: ‘Oh do please support Jeremy.’ You have to say, that as furious political injunctions go, ‘Support Jeremy’ is a little less than compelling. Can you imagine them howling it from the burning barricades?

But as I say, that’s the area for you. A few years back I was at a non-league football match nearby, in an even more gentrified neighbourhood. The graffiti on the toilet wall read: ‘Palace run from Millwall who, in turn, run from Hamlet.’ It’s that ‘in turn’ that gives the game away, isn’t it? Well-spoken graffiti, with punctuation, written by people who have nothing whatsoever to moan about.

(My favourite two bits of graffiti, incidentally, come from different ends of the market. The first was on the wall of a bridge on the railway line halfway between Darlington and Middlesbrough: ‘Britain is a violent society. Let’s fucking keep it that way.’ And then, on the door of a lavatory cubicle at University College Cardiff in 1981, a time when the French approach to literary criticism was very au courant: ‘I used to be a structuralist but now I’m not Saussure.’ Yes, ho ho.)

Support Jeremy. Corbyn has been talking recently about what we should do with the refugees massing at our gates. Let them all in, he opined, all of them. And what about when thousands and thousands more turn up, Jeremy? Oh, they probably won’t, he replied, airily. This view would have found its echo in that south London suburb: ‘Oh — yes! Let them all in. Such a shame they can’t afford to live here. We’d love them, obviously. But if they have to live in Middlesbrough, then so be it. I’m sure they’ll integrate wonderfully and end up being cardiovascular surgeons and so on, and improve the ghastly town no end.’

We are back with the self-deluding idiocies of the liberals, the people who think something that isn’t a circle really is a circle, if it only wants to be a circle. An approach to the migrant crisis which is causing the biggest catastrophe to western Europe since 1945. And as injurious to the migrants as it is to the rest of us. A political stance which will make everything much, much, worse — but that doesn’t matter, because at least the people who say ‘let them in’ can feel really good about themselves. And that’s the important thing, no?

Except that these liberals have a nasty side. Let them in, but make them wear wristbands to mark them out from the rest of the population, as has happened at an asylum centre in Cardiff. Let them in but put them in slums with the doors painted red so that they can be easily identified, as has happened in my home town of Middlesbrough (where they are being bunged by the hundred to keep them away from the ‘Support Jeremy’ imbeciles of affluent London). Or send them to the Outer Hebrides and see how they get on. Or: let them in but get the police to rob them of their money and their jewellery as soon as they arrive, as has been happening in Denmark and Switzerland.

All of this is unspeakably odious, almost unbelievably grotesque. My own view would be to let no migrants in at all, partly because of the strain it puts on our own infrastructure, partly because of the problems of cultural assimilation (which we have seen, writ large, on the Continent) and partly because it means more migrants will die attempting come here (which is precisely what has happened, incidentally).

But if you have taken the wrong decision to let in these people, then treat them as people — deserving of exactly the same rights as the rest of us, afforded the same dignities that British or Danish people enjoy. Treating them as caged animals will not, I suspect, help the process of integration. Nor will banning them from swimming pools in case they attack the pouty and — it being a swimming pool — scantily clad kafir babes, which is what some Belgian authorities have tried to do. Don’t let them in if that’s what — justifiably enough — you are worried about.

There is a non sequitur in the liberal approach: let them in so we can feel ourselves to be wonderfully benevolent, much nicer than those racists (i.e. up to 80 per cent of the various European populations) who wish to keep them out. But once they’re here, don’t for a moment pretend that they are normal citizens. Label them, stigmatise them, confine them, and nick their money. This is a truly shocking way to treat human beings and it should shame us all.

Taggedaffluent, confiscation, Continent, Denmark, Jeremy Corbyn, liberals, Londoners, middle-class, Middlesbrough, migrant crisis, Politics, Racism

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douglas redmayne

We shouldn’t let any in and for those who get through its best that citizens get together and make them feel as uncomfortable as possible to encourage voluntary deoarture and deter others. This would be an example of the “Big Society” in action and would require active destruction of the unpatriotic elements of the left.
- red2black
  
  Don’t forget the unpatriotic leftie employers that took advantage of cheap immigrant workers, unpatriotic leftie private sector slum landlords and unpatriotic leftie private companies like G4S that trousered a fortune courtesy of the taxpayer.
  - douglas redmayne
    
    Indeed.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Oh, good right wing capitalists.
    
    Never mind the facts on wages either. Or that refugees are not allowed to work, or,,,
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      Dribbling again, noeL nosefloW!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ms. Mann – your issues and your alternate personalities interest me not one whit, as you fight those evil facts.
    - red2black
      
      I’m not never minding anything. The points you make are valid and make matters worse. Please feel free to add to the list.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, I was being sarcastic 🙂
      - red2black
        
        That did cross my mind after I’d posted my reply… : )
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  That’s right, you keep noting you’ll harass anyone not like you. Nobody not like you is welcome, as you want to kill off the entire left, most of the center and even more of the right…
Patrick

With the demographic change taking place in the UK (and Europe) the chance of a liberal like Jeremy ever be voted in as prime minister will be gone forever in the next 15-25 years. The white working class labour supporters are starting to vote UKIP in ever larger amounts. While the muslim voters will have ever more colourful candidates to vote for i.e. Respect Party or Tower Hamlets First. Neither group place so much importance on gender/race and are more worried about jobs/housing/health/wages (although one group is very concerned about religion).
- Cobbett
  
  Why the English Working Class vote UKIP?
  - FrancescaMacfarlane
    
    http://www.ukip.org/_while_the_job_creators_in_small_business_struggle_with_eu_red_tape_the_pm_backs_the_big_businesses
  - red2black
    
    Out of desperation.
    - Cobbett
      
      Eaxactly….what they think it will do for them ive no idea.
      - red2black
        
        The White working class in its entirety has never determined anything. There has always been a division between a majority of working class women voting Conservative, and a majority of the men voting Labour.
      - Cobbett
        
        Both wasting their time.
      - red2black
        
        The White working class vote can only be made more fragmentary by having more political parties to vote for, and is further diluted by themselves being a progressively smaller proportion of the voting population.
      - Cobbett
        
        Actually the majority of the country is ‘working class’…whether hairdressers and the like identify as such.
      - red2black
        
        I agree with you about that. As Norman Stanley Fletcher recounted to Mr Mackay: “I always considered myself to be working class, but one day I went up to Glasgow, and now
        I consider myself to be middle class.” (tee hee)
polidorisghost

“This is a truly shocking way to treat human beings and it should shame us all.”

I’m not into this all-inclusiveness gig, Rod.
Ken

For once I have to disagree with Rod. I’d admit none of the rabble camping at Calais – there is a case for admitting selected people direct from the Middle East, maybe, who have something to offer us – i.e. skills, education. As for those recently admitted, rightly or wrongly – and any jumping on lorries should be deported right away – they are effectively on probation, without permanent residents’ rights. So why shouldn’t this be made clear? As for the wrist bands, they are there to show that wearers have a right to free meals, etc. They should be grateful for this and stop whining. As for sending them to Middlesbrough, if this doesn’t make them pine for home, nothing will.
- davidshort10
  
  You have to wear wrist bands at all-inclusive hotels on holiday for the same reason.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, hand them over to IS to be shot. How dare they run…
  
  As you have no problem with making targets for your friends, hmm!
ALH

You are wrong. We should not let them in, but when we do, expecting them not to rape children, not just grown up women at the swimming baths, w*nk in the jaccusi publicly and sh*t in the pool, is not failing to treat them like human beings because we are mean, it is failing to treat them as human beings because they choose to act like disgusting animals.

Painting the doors red twenty years ago with a job lot of paint has nothing to do with being mean, except tax payers wouldn’t stomach having to fork out for immigrants rents in the ‘support Jeremy’ parts of London and the wrist band thing is just a means of identifying those whom the government has allowed to help themselves to our largesse, because they are foreign, rather than any native homeless person who might be tempted to walk in off the street and eat three square meals without first having paid thousands of pounds to a people smuggler.

You haven’t been reading the right papers, you only have the head up the *rse BBC version of events. Always balance your reading with Breitbart and the tabloids which don’t hold back on their descriptions of the causes of Belgian and German swimming baths having to close.
- sfin
  
  I sympathise…
  
  …But to be fair to Rod, he did say that his first instinct is to let none of them in for fear of opening up the floodgates – as has happened in Sweden…
  
  The big problem in Europe now is… thanks to the insane policies of social democracy – they are here…what do we do with them? I agree that we cannot create a new apartheid in Europe – my suggestion would be a mass deportation of the, clearly, young, male, muslim population who don’t qualify for refugee status.
  
  It would clear Calais overnight.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, so creating targets is fine. As you note the crimes you’re fine with, of course.
  
  As you demand “balance” with Righthate, and want to blame the Other for everything.
Ray Spring

The similarities between Germany and its final solution, since neither UK nor the USA would accept Jewish people, and today is amazing.
I find that I support the destruction of migrant centres, before the migrants move in of course, since it is preferable to death camps later. This is what I fear will happen. The problem being we do not know enough about the situation in Germany between 1930 to 1945. Where they rationalised and justified the wholesale murder of millions of people. Those times are being re-created. We stifle debate at the risk of wholesale murder later.
- Bad Lad
  
  Yes but who is creating the conditions for the slaughter of whom? I suspect you have it rather backwards.
- rationality
  
  there was a time when a comparison to the holocaust was the ultimate in pain, horror and regret. Now it just looks tacky and exploitative. Journalists tend to invoke to disguise a sinister agenda. Posters use it because they are too stupid to see they are being manipulated.
- justsomebody
  
  When Jews were allowed into countries to seek asylum did they gang together on mass and assault women? Where Jews at that time commuting acts of terrorism in the name of their religion?
  These aren’t the Jews mate; you can tell that because after some of the atrocities they’ve gone on to try and kill the Jews as in Paris last year. As such your comparison is ridiculous and shows your just attempting to promote your own thoughtfulness in comparison to the heartless and, of course, failing.
  - greencoat
    
    The Jews are a gifted, honourable, hard-working and highly-civilised people.
    - Icebow
      
      The muzz are the Terminator Faith. They want a posthistorical, or ahistorical, society of five-a-day ‘prayers’ and no politics other than the office/clerical kind.
    - Brian Jones
      
      They may very well be now but were they at the time that they were hanging British soldiers with piano wire? The present troubles in the Middle East aren’t really the fault of the Jewish people but of the Israeli government, two very different things.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      With some cool hats and crazy hairstyles.
ALH

Actually I was far too kind, below. Your idea that kindness can be equated with allowing women to be sexually assaulted because they are ‘pouty’ and wearing bathing costumes is abhorrent. It is the same misogynistic attitude that led to the Rotherham girls being treated as they were, ‘ignore the little slags they bring it on themselves and our multicultural project is more important’. Even though you preface your remarks by stating you would not allow the immigrants in. You didn’t think before you wrote this nonsense.
ALH

OK, you were being sarcastic, I will make sure I have my breakfast before reading in future.
Mr Grumpy

The Finnish way, highly recommended for anyone in need of a laugh this morning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35353310
- cmflynn
  
  Yes, very funny but sad too. The desperate hope that ‘They just don’t understand our culture. If we explain things it will all be alright.’ My experience has been that they understand our culture all too well. They understand that ‘Western culture’ is decadent and they are here to replace the wimpy men of the West who can no longer control or protect their own women.
  - Mr Grumpy
    
    Indeed. I’m laughing while I still can, there’ll be plenty of time for tears.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  It might seem like a bit of a pantomime, but reception centres in Finland take these voluntary manners and culture classes extremely seriously. If men arriving from very different and conservative cultures are not immediately made aware that Finland has its own set of customs and rules which must be respected, then they will never integrate, warns Johanna.
  
  The men may groan when she tells them that Finnish men share the housework……. The men are also versed in Finnish criminal law so they know exactly what to expect if they touch a woman inappropriately. And that’s why these classes are backed by the interior ministry and the police. Last autumn three asylum seekers were convicted of rape in Finland, and at the new year there were a series of sexual assaults and harassments similar to those in Cologne and Stockholm………
  
  So that worked then!
  
  The lesson at Raasepori reception centre is drawing to a close and the asylum seekers have been given optional homework to help them read up on Finland’s sexual equality laws. As we leave the class, an Iraqi man in a colourful bomber jacket shakes my hand.
  
  “It’s great in Finland,” he says “But when I marry, my wife will be a housekeeper who will cook the food I like – and she certainly won’t go to discos.”
  
  Yup, worked a treat!
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, thought crime theory. So, as you stand with Brevik…
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      Are you on the same substances he was?!
Liberanos

My first thought was Clarkson. Then Paxman.
- stuartMilan
  
  Fisher?
davidshort10

Somehow I don’t think white middle class liberals go in for graffiti. Perhaps their entitled children do, and only the ones privately-educated. They can spell. They can write ‘in turn’. They can write.
sarahsmith232

There needs to be an answer from the ‘liberal’ males – why do you care more about the welfare of deeply misogynistic males than the welfare of women?
‘Course, had to get moderated by the Guardian for that the other day. It’s taken them decades to even understand that this is a legitimate question, prob’ still a good 30% last few stragglers willing to argue that there’s no evidence immigration increases crime, but it should all be staring at them in the face now.
So they need to answer for it. It is a question that they need to be asking themselves, any of you. . . ahem, liberal? sorts reading this? If so – answer for it – why don’t you care?
- SunnyD
  
  they’re far too busy twisting the legitimate outcries of dismay about what’s happening to our country into something akin to the rise of h1tler to answer that question straight. they’re more interested in smoke “virtue” signalling with the flames of dissent to even really see what is going on. blind they are, the lot of them
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Yes yes, you keep signaling for hate and misery, setting those fires, in the full knowledge you don’t need to look… as you blame them for your goals.
    - SunnyD
      
      yawn…”as you” this and “as you” that
      as you harp on like a pratt
      your prose and wit are both quite flat.
      the wolf’s son will soon have to adapt
      or get used to life in your one bed flat
      keyboard warrior: tap tap tap
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Where’s your evidence I post like you?
        And if you want to sell me a cheap one bed flat, feel free.
        
        Thanks, Mr. Keyboard warrior.
      - SunnyD
        
        You’re welcome – oh, and well done on signing off with the name I gave you (admittedly, I was being flippant at the time and thought afterwards that you’d try and resist it or twist it on me somehow in that inane way you use the English language). That must have taken a lot and I’m sorry I misjudged you.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Funny, why don’t you care about many criminals.
  
  As you stare at the crime figures, willing them up. Never mind it’s so much safer than the mid 90’s.
  
  …As you want to push crime up by making people “answer” for the things you believe them guilty of. Unlike you, I care about crime and don’t think much of it should be excused.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  Why?
  
  They are just showing solidarity with the Sisterhood!
  
  Who all seem to be showing solidarity with the Br0therhood!!
  
  The Musl!m Br0therhood!!!
WFC

The best graffiti I’ve heard about was on a poster in a maternity ward which read “the first 2 minutes of life are the most dangerous”.

Somebody had written “the last 2 minutes can be pretty dodgy, as well”.
- Baron
  
  Good one, WFC.
  
  Another on an entrance to a place of worship: “Entering this place with your hat on is like committing adultery’, under which someone added: ‘I tried, it wasn’t the same’.
Gilbert White

The lies about the children’s ages, personal documents and crime figures in our cities get me. Lies have become institutionalised by the lawmakers. Lies have traction and truth to these people?
Liberanos

I think Mr Liddle should turn his fire on a far more infuriating example of multicultural Britain. That is this crazy idea of importing 45 million tons of sand from the Sahara, along with half a million pairs of sandals and a hundred thousand cotton burkas to make immigrants feel more at home. We should surely all object, no matter what our political beliefs.
The Prez

What’s really aggravating is that we on the right saw this coming, called its consequences, if anything didn’t go far enough with our predictions and STILL the imbeciles won’t listen. STILL they’re more worried about ‘islamophobia’ and the ‘spectre of the far-right’ than they are about their own women and the safety of their own people.

We really need them out of power quickly if this isn’t to end very badly.
- WatTylersGhost
  
  This evening I attended our local UKIP branch agm. I asked if Pegida was banned like the edl and bnp, I was left in no doubt that being a member of ukip and walking with Pegida is incompatible. FFS why can’t people be proud of their predjudices? I am not ashamed to be known as someone who despises a mysogonistic, homophobic, murderous death cult. It’s time for ukip to man-up.
  - Todd Unctious
    
    Disgusting idiocy.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Your self-hate is your own issue.
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      And your rhinorrhea is your own issue, noeL nosefloW!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Look, your issues with your alternate personalities are yours.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Your far right keep trying to cayuse trouble, yes, as you want it to be unsafe for all.
  
  And you need your coup quick, right.
  - The Prez
    
    Well that was almost a sentence.
    Is that you, leftythinker?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      No, you wrote two sentences.
      One was pointless, the other was Politically Correct whining.
      - The Prez
        
        Are you drunk?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I don’t have your issues either, but thanks!
      - The Prez
        
        Thanks for the long-range internet diagnosis, Doctor crazy!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Why are you talking to yourself, after projecting at me?
  - vieuxceps2
    
    “unsafe for all”- try Cologne if that’s what you mean.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Oh, you mean the grenade your ideological allies…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        “Oh, you mean the grenade your ideological allies…”
        
        English isn’t your ‘thing’, is it Leon, or are we just drunk again already?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you want to stop me speaking English, and I’m not one of your personalities with your drinking issues.
        
        As you fail to decry the grenade, I note.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        NO. I don’t want you to stop speaking English, I want you to start speaking it. That way, I might understand you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you want me to use your language. Well!
        
        HATE KILL SLAUGHTER BAD JEWS NUTS FISH.
        
        There.
        Yea, not quite English.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        More insanity Leon? Please do seek some help. I am beginning to feel sorry for you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Your insanity is not my issue, and I don’t need to be beaten by thugs.
        
        I spoke your language, as you wanted…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
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Dr Bock

Awful yes, but that’s to be expected from our bien pensant friends. The world must conform to their dreary little preoccupations at everyone’s expense but their own.
- Michael H Kenyon
  
  You expect Jeremy “Nuts in May” Corbyn and his types to come out with nonsense. It’s the bien-pensant urban “Conservatives” that trouble me.
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    “Jeremy “Nuts in May” Corbyn”?
    
    Surely the wrong female MP?
    
    I thought it was Nuts in Abbott?!
Raphael Hythlodeu

If The Spectator is not part of the ‘metropolitan elite’ why are its journalists trying to insulate themselves from public opinion?

Furthermore, if they are not part of the said ‘metropolitan elite’ why don’t they dare to discuss openly and thouroughly Brexit?

Is it too radical to mention that Dr. Richard North is right on the money? Is it too radical to mention that the EU has been superseeded by globalisation, and that the real single-market is the EEA? Is it too radical to mention that if Britain left the EU to the EEA and refashioned it into a proper single-market centered around UNECE, it could actually be the solution to institutionalise the relationship between Britain, Russia, Scandinavia, Central Europe and the Eurozone, pacifying once and for all, all eurosceptic sentiment?
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  It has been, and Dr. Richard North is doing what he’s told for money. As you ignore the rise of supranational bloc’s, and that the UK would simply be left out in the cold – your plan for 100% blocks on all people movement and trade, which is the only “once and for all” pacification…
  
  Oh wait, no, it’s not. Also anyone who dosn’t look White British enough…
  Pandering to extremists is bad!
statechaos

You could be mistaken, someone might actually be calling on us all to support Jeremy Hunt.
- greencoat
  
  Or Jeremy Fisher, back from the Great War.
asdfff

“treat them as people — deserving of exactly the same rights as the rest of us”
incidentally this is precisely what Danish and German authorities are doing by confiscating valuables costing over a certain threshold.

“Nor will banning them from swimming pools in case they attack the pouty and … scantily clad kafir babes”
i believe european women in German and Belgian (and i am sure elsewhere in europe) swimming pools do receive unwanted attention, to put it mildly, from the migrants. hence the proposed measures.

also, the ‘red door’ bs has already been debunked.

very disappointing article.
John Andrews

Sending them to Scotland, which the SNP believes wants them, is a really and truly brilliant idea. I’d recommend Liddle for a peerage if he get the policy adopted. Guess he’d refuse it though.
- Wee Mental Davie
  
  On yer bike. We don’t want any of them. Isle of Wight. 5 years, then bye bye. No options to apply for residence.
  - John Andrews
    
    Tell that to the Salmond and then tell it to the Sturgeon. William Hague has come out in favour of the EU because he wants to maintain the UK, poor sop. I want the Scots to know what it’s like to have a Harrow and a Tower Hamlets with over half the population Asian, however charming they are.
    - Wee Mental Davie
      
      No need to spread them to us just because you are loaded. Actually, all the big cities have them. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen. It’s the smaller places where the authorities are encouraging the spread. It goes pretty un noticed till it’s too late. Before you know it, on election day, you could be forgiven for thinking you are in pakistan. This enrichment project is far reaching and very very destructive.
      - John Andrews
        
        You ain’t seen nothing yet. When I go back to Edinburgh the ethnic mix seems, compared to London, much as it always was. For the last ten years I have found it really hard to find a native Londoner to point me in the right direction when I get lost. These days I look for people of African origin when I need to ask the way – they are more likely to have been born here than any other easily identifiable ethnic group.
  - Icebow
    
    What has the IOW ever done to you?
    - Wee Mental Davie
      
      Relax. It can be reclaimed and all the money saved in containing the spread of islam, they can spend rehousing you guys in luxury back home when they leave. A thank you for saving UK. Relax. They will be in tents.
      - Wee Mental Davie
        
        I’m not serious Icebow.
      - Icebow
        
        Nor really was I.
      - Icebow
        
        You think I’m muzz?!
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, so a fixed time before IS shoots them. So nice.
    - Wee Mental Davie
      
      If I was PM, there would be none here at all and the middle east deserts would be turned into glass, where appropriate. Consider them very lucky.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you’d launch your purges, like far right dictators before you. Then you’d start with the genocide – no doubt the first one nuke would be for Israel, right, as you ally with the zealots like the last time…
        
        Why is death and murder your obsession? Why not…oh…knitting?
      - Wee Mental Davie
        
        Why do you always bring in Israel ? The Jewish people are no threat. They do not want to take over every land they take hold in.
        
        It’s the people like you that are the problem. Not the Jewish.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, we’re not a threat which is why you pick on us. As you admit you’re after Jews like me, first and foremost.
        
        Right there, in your post.
        But hey, call for your purges on and on.
        
        First they came…
      - Wee Mental Davie
        
        You know something. This is the truth. I don’t hate anyone. Well the taigs, but thats somethng else. I just wish, everyone would return to their own lands and reset the game again. I don’t even hate muslims. A shock mibbee. It’s just enough of this madness that’s all been avoidable, had our various politicians been any good at what they do. In all countries, including yours, we have a bunch of waster politicians who do nothing but look after their own. Be that religion or whatever. Who suffers ? Its all of us. No different in the daft muslims world. All idiots worshipping what ? invisible men. The world needs to get a grip.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you think you can implant lies in my mind over the internet, Mr. Hatevis.
        
        As you want to follow IS’s agenda of seperation, and you have no mere hate for Muslims, I hear you, as you call not following their way madness…. as you hate on democracy, and you want to grip people for your invisible… (or whatever, it’s ranting).
      - Wee Mental Davie
        
        Put the crack pipe away Leon and go to bed.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        How do you manage to nit and type at the same time?!
        
        And maintain your dictator, genocide, nuke, Israel, death and murder zealot obsessions?!
        
        noeL nosefloW!
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      IS are the the vanguard of the Religion of Peace, spreading vibrant diversity.
      
      You xen0phobic Islam0phobe!
      
      noeL nosefloW!
- AtMyDeskToday
  
  Well there’s already a bunch of them on the Isle of Bute. I know it well and it’s a lovely place, but I imagine that one winter there and they’ll be desperate to get back to wherever they came from.
Tickertapeguy

NO! If one is “stupid” enough to let migrants in then at least make them obey the laws of the land and assimilate to the culture of the land.
Frank Fisher

I wouldn’t let ANYONE in. I’m a pragmatist, and selfish – quite proudly so. I want what is best for me and, more significantly, my family. These migrants will not make my life better,or my kids’ lives better. In fact I think it’s likely they will make them worse, contributing to this country’s troubles. In which case – nein danke. Sorry. Go elsewhere. For me I’m afraid it is that simple , and that final.
- 12 couple of hounds.
  
  Crikey. An honest observation on the subject. Agree absolutely
  - Malcolm Stevas
    
    Yup, agree – blunt, to the point, on the money.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Less snobby. Good , keep trying.
- Guilttripjunkie
  
  The vast majority agree with you! These migrants will take more than their share of the health education and welfare budget. Their presence does not benefit the average person in any way.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    The vast majority of the far right? Hmm.
    
    As you say trade isn’t…
    - Guilttripjunkie
      
      Bless its little Leon….how’s the GCSE project going?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m not in your class, but thanks for asking.
        
        Does explain your poor grasp of statistics, though.
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        Stats and economic literacy ….now your talking …where do you want to start? How about even the EU now admit 60% of the ‘refugees in Europe are actually migrants.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you think that starting with lies…
- WatTylersGhost
  
  Frank Fisher, right on the money once again. Pleased to see you getting back in the fight again, like many of us I suspect that you had a post election sabbatical.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, the fight against Britain
- iMutti
  
  Frank, I thought the wonkerati t—ing off about what happens in Manchester, Birmingham and Cardiff every weekend …. sorry, what happened in Cologne once, had finally come to a culminating close. Is there still yet another money shot to be had? Honestly?
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, so you’d “pragmatically” block the borders. No tourists, no business visitors, nobody returning…right.
  
  As you admit you’d make money off the misery and loss of trade you’d cause. 100% hermatic borders, forever. You’ll not be here, of course, you’ll be jetsetting around the world…
  - Hayekian
    
    I realise this is pointless but…
    He didn’t suggest any of the things you have ascribed to him.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Oh, so you say you didn’t make your post. Right,
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        No – he did make HIS post, but not the one you thought he made when the voices in your head told you to attack him. YOUR world isn’t the one the rest of us inhabit. Ours is real – the other one is just you and the voices.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you now reverse, then you talk about your fantasies. As you say the world I’m in with other people isn’t the one with you and personalities and voices, the ones only in your head and which you keep whining about.
        
        It’s you.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        At first reading, this looks like it is in English. Then the reader is faced with the fact that it can’t be made to mean anything, no matter how one tries. Is it a code perhaps? Are you one of Mr Putin’s secret agents? Perhaps it only means something when un-encrypted.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Your post is in English. And no, I don’t have your job and am not trying to relay magical messages from your hero.
        
        My post, which you didn’t discuss or read… as you admit you’re posting garbage…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
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    - Arthur Sparknottle
      
      No – addressing your points is not Leon’s style. What he does is make up a fantasm of what he’d rather you said and rant on about that, and when he gets really excited, he will call you a J e w H a t er, and then his final act will be to get your post deleted by accusing you of being an anti S e m i t e. Strangely, this seems to work for him as he has had numerous posts of mine disappear. Oddly enough they tend to come back again when the real mods check them out and realise that they are dealing with a l o o n y.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so when you come here and make your wild accusations, as you admit your agenda for the record. Then you claim your deleted posts magically come back, as you defame the moderators.
        
        Strange that facts work for me, isn’t it, as you demand I follow your practice – which is to derail discussion with focusing on my being Jewish, and to blame me for your extremist hate.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Drunk again? I am not interested in whether you are Jewish or a Martian. It REALLY doesn’t bother me. Why would it. I focus on your monstrous accusation that I exhibit ‘J e w h a t e’; one you could never stand up, but which you throw around with me and with several other posters without any justification. Anyone who googles your posts and that term will find it popping up with a variety of posters, but when one goes to the threads where your accusation arises, no such thing is present. You are a l i @ r and a charlatan and have a deranged personality disorder.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I don’t have your issues or issue your obvious lies.
        
        As you focus on a response to what you posted, and your doing anything but changing what lead me to say it, when a small handful of posters with the same views as you…many of them alts of each other…
        
        As you scream more Jewhate, of course, catagorising how you see me and trying to suppress debate with arrant accusations of mental illness, as you try and paper over your views being shown to the world.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        I keep telling you – I don’t have ANY J e w H a t e. I’ve known some very nice jewish people. By and large, they are great citizens. You made all that nonsense up. It’s in your head Leon, not mine. Maybe you’re listening to your voices again and they told you that nonsense.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, no spaces in your actual dogma, and that makes no difference, as you claim your posts are not there, that they’re nonsense and related to your voices.
        
        Nope, your post exists.
  - Frank Fisher
    
    I would respond but you’d only reply to something you made up, so what’s the point?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So you responded with a bunch of whining, claiming your conspiracy theory…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Ha ha ha ha. Have you heard of Oppositional Defiance Disorder? You should read up on it. One of the characteristics is that the sufferer is constantly confronting other people about imagined sleights. These sleights are not real at all, but invented by the person who desires nothing more than to create a battle between themselves and usually an adult. This is relevant because as is the case with me, you engage Frank in a useless invented argument in which you accuse him of saying things he has never said, imputing motives he does not have and ascribing him to groups and conspiracies he has no part in. As Frank says above, to respond to you simply creates another opportunity for you to invent new vices to accuse him of. Have you called him an anti S e m i t e yet? That’s usually where you end up.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Your having ODD is your issue, not mine.
        
        As you blame me for your other username/personalities issues, and show you haven’t read my posts, as you admit your ideology, which is what you just admitted you espouse of course.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        You think I have other user names? How very odd. I must now add paranoia to your oppositional defiance disorder and your personality disorder. You are a highly complex case Leon, perhaps unique in the history of psychosis.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I’m going with the evidence, as you choose to add more wild accusations to your bigoted hate, and your utter opposition in your far right, totalitarian, social darwinist belief – as can be seen – that not agreeing with you is mental illness.
        
        So, your usernames…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
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  - kertitor
    
    Do you really believe what you say?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      I’m commenting on posts. They call for certain things….if you don’t mean it….
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        No – you do not comment on posts. You come here full of wrath and accuse people of things hey never said or thought for the sole purpose of gaining attention by creating a row. You have some kind of serious personality disorder.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you want to censor my posts, and blame me for your issues.
        
        You make wild accusations of mental illness, of course, in your far right, totalitarian and social darwinist mantra that disagreement with your views is madness blah blah.
        
        You blame me for your issues, in other words – probably caused by your extreme views.
        I don’t live alone, I don’t have your issued with friends and family, as you spout off social darwinist crap unrelated to any actual mental health issues…
        
        Your desire to punch me in the head….
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        I have no desire to punch you in the head. Why did you invent that new lie Leon? Did the voices tell you that? I certainly didn’t say it as any reader of this thread can see.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you’re saying you’re a liar. As you say say your post does not exist.
        
        I don’t hear the voices in your head, as you claim to be every reader.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Why not read that post of yours again Leon and see if you can understand what you were trying to say. I’ve tried and I can’t make any sense of it. The things you assert in it don’t fit in with anything I have said or anything that went before in this or any other thread. You have no grasp of reality old chap. Maybe you should see someone for help. Let me say again, nowhere have I ever said I wanted to punch you in the head. I’ve said nothing remotely like that. Why do you accuse me of it? YOU MADE IT UP! IT is your idea. To put that to me a MY idea shows that you must be in the grip of some schizophrenic episode.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        My English is and remains fine, your poor English skills are your issue, as is your denial, as you try and talk about your politicla bigotry as a reality, and
        
        As you deny your talk about ringing my bell – you won’t even admit your violent intentions a mere post later. You claim I’ve made up your post, your clear post, as you make frothing accusations of mental illness, in your factually far right, totalitarian and social darwinist anti-debate dogma.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Ringing YOUR bell? What are you talking about? I’ve never corresponded with a lunatic before. You come up with some very surprising accusations – all of them entirely false. Of course there is a record here; anyone can look at what each of us has written. If they bother to do so, they will soon realise who here is mad and who sane.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you claim your post doesn’t exist, as you say i.e. Assad didn’t use chemical weapons.
        
        And thanks for admitting your issues, and that you don’t “correspond” with yourself. Now take said confession and…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
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      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, more spam. Reporting as such, just as before.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        gvdl pgg mfpo. zpv nbe uxbu!
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Ah good. They will probably realise pretty soon that Leon is a deranged stalker and ban you from the forum. Then you will be able to incorporate them into your paranoid conspiracy theories.
        
        Last, but not least I have this to say to you –
        
        gvdl pgg mfpo. zpv nbe uxbu!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you think that projecting at me, spammer, as you spout off more of your far right, social darwinist, totalitarian and social darwinist crap that disagreement with you is mental illness, a tactic designed to suppress debate.
        
        Censorship, all you have.
        Well, wait no – you also have spam.
        You managed to go lower!
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Tujmm epo’u hfu ju ep zpv? Upp tuvqje?
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Come on Leon! Shape up. I thought you were at Bletchley Park during the war. My mother worked there. She’d have solved these codes in a second and a half.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you don’t think? Unsurprised.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Ha ha ha ha – censorship? Isn’t that what you do when you have posts deleted and try to get them banned?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I report hate and spam, if you can’t be bothered to follow simple rules…
        
        I try and get spammers banned, absolutely.
        Anything else? Well, if you annoy the mods…your issue.
        
        There’s a difference between trying to allow debate and trying to prevent it, but you’ll just start whining again of course.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        No you don’t. You falsely accuse people of anti-Semitism and do so without the slightest shred of evidence. You have done it to a number of people besides me simply because they disagreed with you. THAT is why I call you out. You INVENT slurs and toss them at people whose politics are not yours. This is a detestable form of behaviour. Only the foulest kind of dishonest wretch would employ such tactics.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, those evil facts. Thank, as you call yourself ” the foulest kind of dishonest wretch”, spammer. As you are, being a spammer.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Check out that link I posted in above where you accuse someone else falsely of ‘Jew Hate’…… He expressed no such tendency or idea, but you conjecture a whole lot of specious accusations against him, and worse still you log out as Leon Wolfeson and log in as Guest to make the accusation, but being stupid and useless, you forget to change your very odd use of English which gives you away as the author of the slander immediately.
        
        Here is the thread…. Classic Wolfeson villainy ->
        
        http://leftfootforward.org/2015/04/the-uk-is-failing-to-make-most-of-the-skills-of-migrants/comment-page-1/#comments
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, check out where you defend another of your accounts. Right, as you ignore that poster’s history and then make up stupid lies about “log out” and “log in”, as you show your ignorance of disqus.
        
        I also don’t write your slanders, as you scream hate at me, over and over, in your hate of my reporting your spamming as spam, Mr. Spamnottle, spammer. All you are and will be.
        
        That you posted before as LB does explain a lot – go home and stop attacking the British. Facts, to you, make villains, right. Going to start demanding pensions not be paid again?
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Another mad lie. I have no other account but this one. Anyone who knows you knows your very idiosyncratic use of English; phrases like, ‘you scream your hate’. These are perfectly plain on that blog posted under your own name and under the name of guest. You are busted. You’re a menace to discussion where ever you go and there are many pages like that where you make ridiculous assertions about Jew Hate. The only person on that thread who even mentioned Jews was YOU – except where one of the people you accused of it pointed out to you that he had no such feelings and on the contrary admired Jews he knew and had been the guest of at a Shabbat meal in Israel. You are a shameful villainous lunatic and you ought to be thoroughly ashamed of your vile behaviour and disgusting tactics. You really are just about the most revolting poster I ever came across because of your foul behaviour.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, thanks for admitting your mad lies, Lord Blagger.
        
        As you now ignore what you said, as you think you’re a policeman now, and think that allowing other views is a “menace” to discussion, that allowing facts and not suppressing views you don’t want talked about is so evil, blah blah.
        
        As you lied, right, LB, about where you’d been. As you scream hate at me for pointing out facts, and as you try and climb up to my level. You’re a spammer, you’re so far down there no matter how you slander me it won’t help.
        
        Going to start maundering about pensions again?
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        You missed your medication again obviously.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Stop telling me to take your meds!
        
        See, this is how you, spammer, LB, try and suppress discussion – the same sort of bigoted hate and accusations that only your views are allowable and can be discussed, or you’ll try and make the entire topic about your wild accusations.
- Bad Lad
  
  Excellently said! Not one of them.
stuartMilan

Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by The Spectator.
Get a grip Rod. The doors were painted red years ago and having to wear a wristband to indicate your entitlement to freebies is not the same as being pushed into a gas chamber. As for treating these migrants as people, they’ve got their housing, something which our own homeless do not have (nor do our homeless have the usual retinue of showbiz millionaires theatrically wailing about them, for that matter). Behind their red doors, the migrants have got a terrific deal – and an experienced journo you should stop milking this non-issue – why not troll the Saintly Simon of Schama instead, for his views on Cologne-style cultural enrichment?
But if you can’t manage that, why don’t you publish your next piece under that picture of the dead Syrian boy. Maybe its magical powers of logical and consequential dislocation will finally clinch the argument in favour of the destruction by demographic infiltration of the United Kingdom.
Badger

I like the don’t let any of them in plan. No migrants, no problem.
- Todd Unctious
  
  As for the 6 million Brits living abroad I assume you like the don’t let them back plan.
  - Badger
    
    That’s nice. Tell me about some of your other assumptions if you like, or perhaps you have a point to make.
Anthorny

Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the Equality and Human rights Commission says ‘continuously pretending that a group is somehow eventually going to become like the rest of us is perhaps the deepest form of disrespect,’

He went on to claim that we should accept that Muslims “see the world differently from the rest of us.”

I see. All that former stuff about integration and harmony and mutually beneficial coexistence; I guess we can now just forget that then. As the man said, it ain’t gonna happen.
- SonOfGud
  
  If this is the case, then there can be only one sensible outcome….they really have no place here in the western world.
  Malign cuckoos-in-the-nest must leave.
  - greencoat
    
    And Trevor Phillips should go with them.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Trevor Phillips thinks there are ghettos in the UK. Well I can think of only two; The Catholic bits of Glasgow and flats above the fourth floor in tower blocks.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Along with all the other purge targets.
      
      First they came…
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Right, so which flight will you be on?
    - SonOfGud
      
      nöb off you attention-seeking åsshöle
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you admit you’re a hypocrite and spout hate. You’re clearly part of the issue, and I’m not like you but thanks.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Is that the issue from your nostrils, noeL nosefloW?!
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        So what’s that dribble issuing, spouting, from your nostrils, noeL nosefloW?!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, what is your issue and your desire to kill your other personality?
        Thanks, self-admitted hypocrite and hater.
- GraveDave
  
  I think he’s trying to say ‘multiculturalism fail.’ It failed back in the early 70s when two specific groups were made exempt from certain uniform and safety laws, because one had dreadlocks on his head and called himself a Rasta and the other wore a turban and called himself a Sikh. Remarkably the Muslims were too busy back then running businesses and getting their kids to fit in. But if I remember right it all kicked off about 89 with the Salmun Rushdie thing.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, the failure of allowing i.e. Sihks and Jews in Britain…
    
    And you’re not very historically knowledgeable. (Tip – the problem’s Saudi cash)
- Icebow
  
  ‘How dare you run away from us. Christian women have no purpose other than the pleasure of Muslim men.’ (Migger in Germany.)
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Well yes, I’m sure you’ll try and prevent them.
- vieuxceps2
  
  Trouble is of course,all these bl**dy multiculti hypocrites are now admitting their experiment didn’t work, but we are left with the reality of a homeland divided amongst alien blocs with the inevitable result that they will one day take over. Powell foresaw this, said so and was duly chopped. Should have listened ,shouldn’t we?
Tom Cullem

The problem, Ron, is that it’s the taxpayers who will be responsible for “treating them as people”. Meanwhile, I’m still waiting for broader coverage of the fact that in areas like Kent, British children in care are being moved out of their familiar home counties so councils can make way for migrant children.

Perhaps that “edgy” neighbourhood where you saw the graffiti never got the memo that it is local host populations in Europe who are saddled with the humanitarianism of it all . . . not government ministers.
Baron

You’re right, Rod, they shouldn’t have been let in, wrong on the specific examples of their ‘mistreatment’ except for the Danes, expropriating private property has never led to a stable community.

But why should they have the same rights when here? They should be treated fairly, humanly and with compassion, but not enjoying the same rights as those who’ve slogged, paid taxes for decades.

They’re here on probation, visitors on conditional visas, potential citizens on conditions of good behaviour, even those who claim asylum because pain, suffering and disaster must have befallen in the war-torn regions even on rapists, murderers, other wrongdoers.
Arclight101

But in Denmark the legislation to confiscate wealth over 10,000 dkr from those seeking welfare was brought in precisely to bring the treatment of migrants in line with the treatment of Danes seeking welfare. The rule in Scandinavia is if you have assets you’re not eligible for welfare until you have used up your wealth. I think Rod Liddle should stop relying exclusively on the Guardian and BBC for his news.
- red2black
  
  Migrants are showing up with a grand about their person?
  - Icebow
    
    Only the richer ones can afford the smuggling fees.
    - red2black
      
      And have a fair bit left over by the sound of it.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    I understand they pay thousands of pounds to people -traffickers to get here. One has to ask how they, wretched refugees , manage to come by such bounty. There wll soon be ploys to hide any left-over cash from Danish eyes, no doubt about that.
    - red2black
      
      Seems they’ve left the poorest among them to their fate.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  I think you’ll find the same rules apply here.
  
  Try getting benefits if you’ve got a few readies.
  
  Or see if the council will put you into a nursing home even if you haven’t got any readies, but you did save up and buy a house!
jeffersonian

‘There is a non sequitur in the liberal approach: let them in so we can feel ourselves to be wonderfully benevolent, much nicer than those racists (i.e. up to 80 per cent of the various European populations) who wish to keep them out. But once they’re here, don’t for a moment pretend that they are normal citizens. Label them, stigmatise them, confine them, and nick their money.’

As always kudos to RL for daring to speak truth to power.

I don’t quite follow the second part of the argument above however.

If a specific newly arrived group starts assaulting women on a frightening scale, behaviour clearly linked to culture [and dare we whisper it: religion], why is it ‘stigmatising’ to stop them, and protect their would-be victims?

We have laws. We have a culture – with fairly specific core values (although half the Tory party would demur). If we don’t protect and cherish those values, what will remain of that which makes us, us?
- SonOfGud
  
  Think the 2nd part of his argument must just be his vestigial leftism showing through, in a kind of death twitch.
  He’s not quite made the complete journey across to join us on the dark side… yet.
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    Talking of journeys, it’s a bit like Peter Hitchens total inability to write anything with the tiniest link to transport or travel without going into full four wheels bad, two rails good rant mode revealing his vestigial big state, command and control, mass public transport inner Trot!
Malcolm Stevas

I go along with this, in general. The really very few aliens from distant continents we might admit (because of their distinctly superior qualifications, skills, English fluency, demonstrable readiness to integrate…) should indeed be treated as equals, fully. Trouble is, our leaders have consistently lacked the balls and the basic patriotism to exclude hordes of the great unassimilable unwashed.
I like Rod’s graffiti examples, very good. My own favourites date from the Jeremy Thorpe/Norman Scott farrago. I saw both “Vote Liberal or we’ll shoot your dog”, and “I’m bug*ered if I’ll vote Liberal” – also rather good, I thought.
- Todd Unctious
  
  Snob.
  - Cosmo
    
    Inverted snob. Yah-boo.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Your latest comment (“snob”) at least has the benefit of clarity, unlike your usual vapourings. Of coudrse ,it is the second time (at least) that you’ve used it, so I expect you are improving with practice……
jim

I wish people would stop talking about assimilation.Even if we could assimilate these barbarians,would we really want to?In any case,they cannot be assimilated.If there was any way of getting these creatures even vaguely housebroken we wouldn’t be in all this trouble.
- trobrianders
  
  Repatriation is enormously difficult to achieve. It requires a legal basis and and would be a massive undertaking. Only a very hard right government would dare attempt it. So you have your answer. These cunning globalists and their idiot leftist armies have guaranteed our societies will degenerate to the point where huge numbers turn to ugly hard right solutions. That’s the next twenty years ruined.
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    Five years of state emergency will probably do it!
  - red2black
    
    These cunning people also seem to have realised that they need to start reversing the process in order to maintain their grip on power, if the most recent reports are to be believed. Don’t expect cunning people to pursue policies beyond a point that they know threatens their own interests.
- WTF
  
  Its not so much a case of us assimilating them as we’ve seen that Muslims don’t want to integrate anyway unlike other ethnic minorities.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    So it’s not a case of your far right, who don’t even fit here… as you blame Muslims in your PC collectivist… never mind the reality…
    - WTF
      
      Just drive around anywhere in the EU and what us realists state will open your eyes. You obviously don’t get out much as your too busy posting lies.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you think that I’ll be attacked by far right thugs for being Jewish if I drive? Hmm! Yea, your “hateism”…er…
        
        You’re the one cowering and only mixing with those just like you, as you call facts lies in your PC agenda.
        
        As you’ve admitted, you’re not in the UK, not British and are just trying to undermine my country with your subversive…
      - WTF
        
        Here you go again, you don’t sound like any Jew I’ve met either in the UK or Israel so why do you keep bringing up this claim that you’re Jewish when I’ve never said anything about you being Jewish because you don’t sound like one.
        
        You’re just a sad denier with a ginormous chip on their shoulder over some trauma you may have suffered in your childhood and you need serious help to get over it to wake up to reality.
        
        What are you going to do, report me to MI5 for being subversive to the UK when I’m only concerned with the countries security especially having a son, daughter in law and young grand daughter living there. Get real before they come to take you away !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Right, you say you don’t know any other Jews, as you espouse your Jewhate at me. Over and over.
        
        As you deny who I am, and want to cause me trauma with your “ginormous” axe, which you want to sink into my shoulder. As you think attacking me will “wake me up” – no, I already know your far right are a danger, thanks.
        
        As you mention your enemies within your own family, and think that a Jew is going to be arrested based on the fantasies of a Jewhating enemy of Britain. Hmm!
        
        I’ll keep point out your agenda here.
      - WTF
        
        But I do know many Jewish people, didn’t you read my posts.
        
        I don’t have any agenda here other than to correct your lies and spin but obviously its driven you over the edge me correcting you all the time.
        
        Its almost as if you are trying to draw me into making hate speech against Jews just because you and I have different philosophies on how to deal with welfare benefits and immigration. Be honest now, is that your real agenda to try and nail me on hate speech just because we disagree on politics. If it is, it wont work because I like Jewish people along with any other race or ethnic group who are law abiding, honest and truthful.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, one is to you many, as you deny your posts and note you’re now here to debunk me for being Jewish, as you scream that your lying obviously means I’m mad, blah blah.
        
        You wrote your own words, as you switch your agenda claims inside a single post.
        
        And right, you don’t consider us – or anyone outside your political group…”aw abiding, honest and truthful” I hear you! Of course.
      - WTF
        
        What this comes down to is you have the worst case of persecution
        complex I’ve ever encountered here. You have conspiracy theories that I
        hate Jewish people when I don’t and accuse me of being a racist when I’m
        not. You post lies that I have specifically made pejorative comments
        mentioning Jews as a race which I haven’t and all in all, its impossible
        to follow your posts. I have integrated with different cultures during
        my life and have made friends and/or acquaintances with many ethnic
        groups. You have admitted you’ve done none of this but claim you know
        what I am like when you haven’t a clue.
        
        I looked up persecution complex to try and help me understand your
        rationale and it confirmed my belief that you believe you are a ‘victim’
        but why, that is anyone’s guess. Below is the link about this and
        perhaps if you read this it might help you.
        
        As for your remaining posts, if worthy of response I’ll try otherwise I’ll just dismiss it.
        
        http://www.phoenixism.net/?p=11495
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you blame me for your desire to persecute Jews.
        
        I am using facts based on your posts. Your posts are there. You stand completely outside, it’s clear, Western culture and are just a hypocrite for crossing borders. As you talk obvious lies about how you’d ever mix with those different from you.
        
        As you dismiss Jew’s posts, automatically, of course. You decry me for my inter-faith work you want to stop, of course, as you link a site which explains your issues….some random whining on the internet…
      - WTF
        
        If you truly believe your own repetitive rhetoric, just re-post one of my posts where I linked a pejorative comment specifically to your race. You’ll have a problem as there isn’t one as I have Jewish people as friends for a long time. As with any ethnic group there’s always one who has a persecution complex but that’s their problem not mine.
        
        You keep trying to invent this fantasy when its either self hate on your part or its a lame attempt to accuse me of a hate crime as opposed to re-posting a fact.
        
        Get a life please before you self destruct !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, yes, “re-post my crap”. As you obviously lie again, and talk about how your victimizing people is their problem, not yours. As you blame me for your hate, as you demand I act just like you (and hence actually hate myself and my people), or you’ll destroy me.
        
        I hear you.
      - WTF
        
        Where’s that re-post then, mislaid it or doesn’t it exist ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Your entitled whining is right there, of course, as you confirm your contempt…
      - WTF
        
        I’m not bothered whether you reply or not but at least my conscious is clear, I never posted any hate even in error as you can’t find any.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you hate so much you don’t care, and claim your hate does not exist, that your posts don’t exist and I’m “in error” to read your posts. Hmm!
        
        Of course your “conscious” is clear, clear of morals and ethics!
      - WTF
        
        Yawn !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, the boring truths you can’t fight any more.
- vieuxceps2
  
  No.I do not want to know about islam,such a stupid fascist creed. The muslims will never do well until they abandon this nonsense. Do as they wish at home in the sandy lands, but leave dear old England alone.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Keep blaming others for your medical issues, Mr. creature.
T Gould

Surely Liddle should be aware the whole red door thing is a red herring. I mean the rest is fine, and is decent enough repeat of the reasons why we should be more selective and less prone to virtue signalling without any political will of any strength to follow up behind it.

It’s odd, in a lot of places in europe, they’ve decided they can’t really stop the flow of migrants, so they are making asylum as dingy and meager as possible. Finland, Denmark, I think even Norway to a degree. Maybe Finland was just miserable to begin with, but there are lots of stories coming out about migrant disappointment. It’s all very strange, we’d rather make things bad for them here than stop them at the border.
- Malcolm Stevas
  
  I wouldn’t describe Finland as miserable but its inhabitants can certainly seem a bit dour – though not as bad as the Russians. Not exactly the sort of place to make Levantine migrants’ hearts leap with exhilaration. The national cuisine is somewhat, ah, uninspired too.
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    Boiled snow?
    
    I hear the yellow bits are considered a great delicacy!
  - WTF
    
    I enjoyed myself in Finland whenever I went there on business but I doubt a bunch of over sexed male migrants would find it appealing.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So, you’re a hypocrite for crossing borders, right, and I hope you didn’t do too much damage there…
      - WTF
        
        No, I was a legal visitor on business not an illegal out to rape young girls.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Feel free to prove that.
        Moreover, the damage caused by your PC business of hate… I hope too many people were not lynched without evidence in your wake. Clearer?
      - WTF
        
        Its called a EU passport !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you admit your hypocrisy!
mahatmacoatmabag

The following is political satire in the great British tradition of political satire, feel free to copy it & reuse elsewhere on the web.

Muslim suicide bombers in Britain are set to begin a three-day strike on Monday in a dispute over the number of virgins they are
entitled to in the afterlife. Emergency talks with Al Qaeda have so far failed to produce an agreement.The unrest began last Tuesday when Al Qaeda announced that the number of virgins a suicide bomber would receive after his death would be cut by 25% this February from 72 to 54. A spokesman said increases in recent years in the number of suicide bombings has resulted in a shortage of virgins in the afterlife.

Suicide bombers’ union, the British Organization of Occupational Martyrs (BOOM) responded with a statement saying that the move was unacceptable to its members and called for a strike vote. General Secretary Abdullah Abu el Sharmoota Abbas told the press, “Members are literally working themselves to death for the cause of Jihad. We don’t ask for much in return, but to be treated like this is like a kick in the a****s.”

Speaking from his shed in Tipton (West Midlands), Al Qaeda chief executive Haisheet Mapants said, “I sympathize with our workers’ concerns but Al Qaeda is simply not in a position to meet their demands. They are simply not accepting the realities of modern day Jihad in a competitive market place. Thanks to Western depravity, there is now a chronic shortage of virgins in the afterlife. It’s a straight choice between reducing expenditures or laying people off. I don’t like cutting benefits but I’d hate to have to tell 3,000 of my staff that they won’t be able to blow themselves up.”

Spokespersons for the union in the North East of England, Ireland, Wales and the entire Australasian continent stated that the change would not hurt their membership as there are so few virgins in their areas anyway. According to some industry sources, the recent drop in the number of suicide bombings has been attributed to the emergence of Scottish singing star,Susan Boyle. Many Muslim Jihadists now know what a virgin looks like and have reconsidered their benefit packages.
- Ivan Ewan
  
  Hee hee, it’s not new but it’s still good for a chuckle.
grimm

I was not stupid enough to let all these migrants in. Nobody ever asked me. It was the work of the greate and the good. I’m just one of the people who has to take the consequences of major decisions which are deemed to be none of my small-minded business.
grimm

“…let them in so we can feel ourselves to be wonderfully benevolent, much nicer than those racists…”
and use TV to peddle the image of desperate migrant families and children as constituting the main part of the migrating hordes. Gloss over the fact that the majority by far are young men of military age aggressively demanding refuge and showing little or now gratitude when they get it.

When large numbers of foreigners aggressively demand entry into your country and behave with swaggering arrogance and contempt for your society and its citizens once they are here should they be seen as refugees or invaders?
- Guilttripjunkie
  
  Allegedly the Swedes are deporting 80,000 of these assets. I just hope they don’t end up in mug UK.
  - Blindsideflanker
    
    And Finland is deporting 65% of them having found they are bogus asylum seekers.
    
    Strange the likes of the BBC and Aid agencies are telling us 85% of the migrants come from war zones. Someone must be lying.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Well 34,000 children in London were born in the USA. 15% of kids in Kensington are Americans. Why have we “let them in”? Are we stupid?.
      - Cosmo
        
        They speak English and are unlikely to be a burden. Do you not see the difference between a migrant from a developed country and one from Afghanistan, for instance?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        They buy up the biggest houses and deny space and bedrooms to us natives. Rich immigrants are a big problem, forcing us into long depressing commutes to work, denying us access to our better restaurants and shops. Snaffling the sell paid City jobs. Yes there is a difference. It is just the richer ones put more strain on our infrastructure.
      - Cosmo
        
        So, you believe it’s a case of the “filthy rich” and the “virtuous poor”? My brother, who is gay, was driven out of London by the primitive attitudes of some of our newly arrived and virtuous guests. He now commutes from Cambridgeshire.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Well, go back home then and stop…
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Oh my goodness. Does he have to go on a train with the hoi polloi? Does he have to get up at 7 am and sit near ordinaries on the tube? Hope he doesn’t break a nail.
      - Cosmo
        
        Is that a whiff of homophobia I detect? Surely not from someone as virtuous and pure as you. Even by the very low standards the verminous left set themselves, you are a very strange and poisonous individual. I just hope that for your sake you can grow out of whatever is troubling you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, so you see having any morals as being vermin…well, that’s you, as you show your bitter hate.
        
        Tell me, how many decades ago did your brother stop talking to you? Why did you tell him to “grow out”…
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        In the moral bankrupt value system of the left, Islamophobia trumps all else. Womens’ and gay rights and child protection are trumped by the refusal to see, hear, or speak the truth about the RoP.
      - Tamerlane
        
        Yes but Todd Unctious is Yvonne/Barry Stuart-Hargreaves an activist from the Respect Party (see his profile) hence his love of the Mohammedan brothers who persecute your own brother.
      - Cosmo
        
        That wouldn’t surprise me.
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        They could be actual Mohammedans or converts. The latter would explain their fanatical zeal in defending the RoP.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Liar
      - alfred5
        
        Try and watch that news footage from Newsnight that was a parody of the stoning scene in the Life of Brian ; it was a true life stoning of a Westernized female lawyer trying to bring women’s rights to Afcrapistan
        It is Medieval and gruesome beyond belief
      - WTF
        
        The converse is the reality. Those rich Americans, Russians living in central London are paying their way in taxation, their kids go to privately paid schools, they have private health care, in fact they are a net gain on the balance sheet. Now look at places like Rotherham or Bradford and 50% of Muslim men are on benefits and some with multiple wives, they cost the country dear as they pay for NOTHING !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Funny, perhaps you shouldn’t discriminate in hiring.
        
        PS, refugees are not allowed to work.
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        Refugees shouldn’t get a penny from the public purse. They should be funded by these idiot lefties who want them here. How about you support destitute migrants by giving 20% of your income to them Leon?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you to rob people based on your ideology, as you utter the usual excuse for not paying tax, in your support of IS shooting them rather than allowing them here, I hear you.
        
        How about you pay tax and stop leeching off Britain?
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        You don’t have a clue of my tax status is and are now desperately resorting to feeble slurs..for the record I pay 40% …you need to cut back on the skunk Leon if you hope to find employment.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I can read your posts, the slurs are there…
        
        And you live with a flat 40%…hmm!
        I don’t take your drugs either, as you whine some nonsense. Unlike you, I work.
        
        And no, I want you to leave.
      - WTF
        
        “It is just the richer ones put more strain on our infrastructure.”
        
        A dumb comment rather than a funny one by the poster above and perhaps he can enlighten us on his convoluted theory. That idiot should have researched the migration of middle Britain, USA, France etc, etc from city centers to the suburbs many decades ago (100 years perhaps) that created the need for infrastructures like expanded public transport as what Russian oligarch uses a bus or a train.
        
        Not sure what your post is getting at in respect to this though.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, no surprise you try and change the topic is it.
      - WTF
        
        Whats your real point ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        That is my point.
      - Guilttripjunkie
        
        The Muslim welfare bill is a taboo, which is not to be discussed….Isamophobia and all that.
      - WTF
        
        Anything the deniers don’t want to debate is taboo as it destroys their position.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, exactly, thanks for your denial.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Are you part of a lefty cyber group?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Do you know the right way up when sitting on a toilet? You numpty.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Are you part of a lefty sit on a bog sideways group?
      - Tamerlane
        
        No, he’s the Spectator’s resident activist from the Respect Party.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Nothing to do with Respect you paid shill
      - Tamerlane
        
        He does. Those from Afghan vote for the Respect Party and he’s one of their activists (original Disqus name Yvonne/Stuart Barry-Hargreaves and changed to Todd Unctious when he was busted as a Respect activist).
      - Cosmo
        
        Thanks. I’ll waste no more time on the pr1ck.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you’ll stop posting? Good to know.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        No i’m not. You just started levelling that accusation when I repeatedly bested you in debate.
      - alfred5
        
        Yes , there is a gormlessnesss about liberal folk that craves a Darwin award …they remind me of the folks who romanticize nature and usually get eaten for their troubles tssk tsk
        Young moslem males from the Maghreb and Afcrapistan are primitive in worldview and very handy with a knife ; there is a minor crime wave in Germany as they gang up like a pack of opportunistic wolves
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, your desire to kill off those with other views (and blame them for it). As you engage in PC bigotry, and ignore the fact you’re far more primitive than them.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Perhaps these Americans should be encouraged to go home? Would you like that? Then, with that as a precedent, we could encourage, say, ME and Africans and Asians to do the same? Question is, would you like THAT?
    - Guilttripjunkie
      
      The BBC and the Aid agencies are but Marxist fronts.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Magical marxists. LMAO.
  - Patricia
    
    Well, they will end up somewhere – can’t believe they will go back to their origins.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      What the primordial swamp?
      - Cosmo
        
        Why? Are you feeling lonely?
  - Itinerant
    
    The Swedes did deport a Tunisian man, branded “the most hated man in Sweden, after video showed him attacking a woman in front of her two young children and then spitting on her”
    http://cphpost.dk/news/most-hated-man-in-sweden-being-deported-to-denmark.html
    To where did they deport him? to Denmark of course, meanwhile Denmark has deported illegal immigrants to ….Germany.
    http://www.thelocal.de/20150908/denmark-sends-first-group-of-refugees-back-to-germany
    
    All while many of the countries of origin in North Africa, Africa and Asia are refusing to take back anyone without a passport- what’s the first thing that gets torn up at the borders of Europe? the passports of course.
    - Child_of_Thatcher
      
      Do what Australia does and send them to Cambodia or what Israel does and pay Uganda to take them. Faced with this they suddenly find their passports again!
  - vieuxceps2
    
    No probs. Todd’s house will be there for them.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Yes, of course you’ll steal and force others to do your bidding, without paying in.
  - Child_of_Thatcher
    
    That’s a joke Sweden will do nothing. Sweden isn’t Australia
- Todd Unctious
  
  The ones we need to stop are the rich ones. They take up more resources, particularly land and houses. Stop the Yanks and the Arabs, the Russian oligarchs and the Greek fiddlers. Stop them luring all the good teachers to their toff schools and pushing up prices in restaurants, hotels, shops etc…
  We need the poorer ones. Who will look after all the childless we now have when they are decrepid and old?
  - trobrianders
    
    A laughable attempt at using Reason to justify your transparent fifth column treason. You leftist bigot defilers traded in Reason for Correctness. The same Reason upon which all our prior success was based.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      You people with the sinister, oafish agenda never like facts, statistics or reason. Like Rod Lidl you prefer vacuous conjecture and bile.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        If you can (surprisingly) spell vacuous, why can’t you spell unctuous?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        I can spell Unctuous and Unctious. They are two different words. Too different for you to grasp?
      - vieuxceps2
        
        No,little toddy,the one is shown as a variant of the other.That means that so many fools such as you have spelt it wrongly that it has become accepted.You change the world you people,and never for the better.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        No Unctuous is fawning. Unctious is sticky and tenacious. My name is from the Father Ted character and I take that spelling.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        No,you just cannot spell.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Better than an inability to understand basic facts. Can you still hear the voices or is the medication kicking in now?
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Father Ted? Father f**ckin’ Ted?? Oh,poor Bloater…….
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Now that’s a funny lie.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        No, that’s just your interpretation of one of the meanings of unctuous, from the Latin to anoint, hence oily!
      - Todd Unctious
        
        I take my name from the humoroys priest on Father Ted. That is how he spells his name. That is how the script writers wrote it. However much you wish I spelled it otherwise that would not be faithful to the character. Anymore than accusing someone called Smythe of spelling it wrong.
        I know you disagree with me. I know you wish you could think of an argument to counter my facts. But if all you can manage is a cheap finger pointing at a dubious spelling, it rather gives the lie to your lack of intellect .
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Dubious?!
        
        Well, I did try to Google the facts, but as soon as I started typing in your name it came up with:
        
        “Br!stol pa3doph!le gang gu!lty of plotting s-x cr!mes aga!nst ch!ldren”
        
        So I decided not to dig any deeper!
        
        I’ll leave that to you and the !rish Pr!esthood!
      - Todd Unctious
        
        What? Still stuck with lame insults BJ?
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Just tellin ya what I found!;-)
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, the wild accusations, right, in your hate of so many British people.
      
      As you claim Hate is the basis…nope.
  - Cosmo
    
    How is the Tooting Liberation Front these days?
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Knucklehead.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      How’s the Hate The Other Front (NF) these days?
  - WTF
    
    They’re unskilled labour on benefits for the most part.
    - Guilttripjunkie
      
      The rise in the GDP to debt ratio since 2004 suggests you are correct. It has doubled from 42% to current levels of 84% in just over ten years. The UK is borrowing to pay welfare, health and education costs for millions of poorly educated low skilled migrants.
      - WTF
        
        A year or so ago I pointed out that as our EU contribution is based on GDP rather than a composite of debt or the countries worth, we were getting hammered by the EU and Brussels. Osborne tried pulling a fast one back then when he conflated national deficit into national debt and because the the annual deficit was slowly reducing (but still in the red) he tried to con us into thinking the national debt was dropping when in fact it was going up and still is.
        
        The fair way to apportion contributions to the ‘club’ is to base it on the countries worth as that would significantly reduce our contributions as well as making it fairer. However, Osborne borrows more money, that goes in the GDP figures as income, the GDP goes up and the EU sucks back a good chunk of what we borrowed as our share of contributions. Its a mafia style scam that both Cameron & Osborne are complicit in covering it up.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, magical mafia as usual. The one in your head.
      - WTF
        
        Nothing magical about it but clearly you’re as much informed about GDP and EU contributions as you are about different cultures around the world. Sensible people who don’t know the facts come out and admit it instead of making themselves look dumb.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, your magical mafia are not magical, really, as you admit clearly you’re not being sensible and that I know far more than you about this. Right.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    I didn’t realise that the migrants were coming here to look after all us old folk. I thought it was to get a better life for themselves. Now that you’ve put me right.I feel happy to hear the call-to-prayer and to listen to the explosions .I wonder if Tesco sells halal pork?I could eat a nice chop.Hope my neighbours won’t object….
    - Todd Unctious
      
      It is the reason they are allowed in. Our political masters fear demography more than they fear a few terrorists.It is just that they will never say this publicly.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        I do hope the migrants themselves are aware of this plan. Perhaps you should tell them?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Perhaps you should resist the urge to sneer and snipe at foreigners.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Resist the urge to snipe at non-foreigners then……
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah yes, the blanket hate for those not like you, as you wonder why people would want to flee others with your views. Hmm!
  
  Feel free to go back to a time when your views were in the majority. 1065 should do it!
Blindsideflanker

The right on virtue signalling metropolitan set who want to let them all in, then dump them on the most deprived areas of our country.

I have yet to hear of one virtue signalling luvie put up a single migrant they said they would, and you can be dammed sure that bit of waste ground in Hampstead , other wise known as the common all their multi million pound houses over look, will never ever be built on to accommodate these migrants they want to allow into the country.
- Todd Unctious
  
  Emigrants are Migrants too. Perhaps we should stop emigration. After all there are millions of UK expats living all over the World. There are more grandchildren abroad of people born in the UK than there are grandchildren here of people born abroad.
  - Blindsideflanker
    
    If countries want to limit their immigration then that is up to them.
    
    in Africa 1,800 colonial servants were listed in 1874 and about c. 4,500 in 1927 so you might find there are a lot fewer Brits abroad than you think.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      There are millions. Particularly young men who disappeared at each census from 1981 to 2011. It is a major reason for London having so many more women. At the last count in 2013 it was over 5 million. Having risen from 4 million in 1991.
  - Cosmo
    
    The difference being that Brits moving to countries outside the EU have to jump through all manner of hoops before they are allowed to migrate legally. They will also be expected to respect the culture and laws of the host nation. Our back-door is wide open to anyone prepared to enter and we are infested with self-loathing idiots who seem to believe that we should prostrate ourselves at the feet of people to whom we owe nothing and beg forgiveness for the sins of being white and having created an advanced and civilised society.
    - trobrianders
      
      He’s a self-loathing bigot. You will not get through to him.
      - Cosmo
        
        He might grow out of it.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        Maybe, if he could be tied down and forced to watch Pat Condell videos…. apart from that probably no hope left for the idiot.
      - Cosmo
        
        I fear Todd might be triggered by a Pat Condell video. This one for example:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCis1U1nFR0
      - Sue Smith
        
        This needs to be played over and over and over. The game’s up, that’s for sure.
    - WTF
      
      Tell me about it, it took me 15 months, reams of paper work and police certificates before they let me live in the USA with my American wife of 16 years.
  - Fraziel
    
    You’re an idiot and you miss the point. Most Brits abroad support themselves, do not sponge off the state ( according to govt figures 50% of all immigrants from islamic countries will never work here and its near 75% for women) and are not women hating islamists who hate the people and the governments of the countries they live in and do not cause social cohesion problems everywhere they go. We do not want them here not because of their race or skin colour but because they are uneducated islamists who will cost a fortune to look after, will change communities against the will of the people living there causing social cohesion problems , will drive up crime and will assault women here. Just as they have done in every other country they have gone to. Oh and there is the small matter that some of them will almost certainly want to blow some of us up.
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      Well that is correct, but he’s a troll, he doesn’t care. He knows that his argument is rubbish ahead of time and makes it anyway because he’s got nothing better to do with his time than make fatuous comments.
      
      Hey Todd, kid, there are these things called video games, they’re pretty good. You might accidentally learn something too.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, so you mention the sort of discrimination you show then blame people… right.
      
      As you think other forms of women hating are right. As you ignore the fact you’re a problem for social cohesion, and your personalities don’t want people of a certain type here based on your bigotry, right.
      
      As you care selectively about crime, etc.
      - WTF
        
        There is no social cohesion as Muslims have segregated themselves into an Islamic Apartheid in the west. All other ethnic minorities have integrated into their host country but not Muslims. It is they who are practicing discrimination by creating an Apartheid system.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you blame all Muslims in your PC bigotry. Blaming them for your views, as you hate on social cohesion and showing your ignorance of other minorities.
      - WTF
        
        There’s plenty of examples of ‘pain in the rear’ white neighbors in predominantly white areas of the country but virtually none if any for Muslim neighbors in white areas. If I was a leftie like Corbyn I’d use that statistic to ‘race bait’ that Muslims are perfect neighbors and white people are trash. That’s a similar argument to saying if I lived in the centre of Miami I don’t have a problem from alligators but if I live in the everglades, alligators or pythons will likely catch and eat my pet dog.
        
        The reason again is self evident, if a ‘species’ doesn’t inhabit my neighborhood then I won’t see problems of my pet dog disappearing from my back yard. Muslims generally choose to live in their own self segregated communes whilst all other ethnic groups usually integrate.
        
        That’s not bigotry that’s a statement of fact, perhaps you can explain this phenomena ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, that excuse. As you show why you’re not a lefty, as you want to divide communities and cause extremism, right.
        
        As you say your eugenics is “self evident”. As you engage in PC bigotry against all Muslims.
        As you show your lack of knowledge of most minorities.
        
        The phenomena of your being a blind bigot comes, probably from statistics, of your simply not having mixed with people not just like you. When people do, they change their tune. Or possibly you’re just willfully blind to the sort of state you want – I note here Ray Hill’s conversion away from your sort of view…
      - WTF
        
        There is no such thing as a leftie or far right, there are only realists and deniers like you !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, your denial of your politics rolls on, as you hate on the left, denying the validity of democracy and multi-party politics, like those of your ideological forebears.
        
        Your side lost at Cable Street. You’ll lose again.
      - patrickirish
        
        I actually don’t want them in the UK because for the most part they are virulent anti-Semites, and if there is one thing that makes my blood boil it is anti-Semitism. What do you think Leon?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Those nasty English people who moved abroad, magically anti-Semites. Hmm.
        
        No, I don’t share your collectivism.
      - patrickirish
        
        You would say that wouldn’t you Leon?
        What is it to be Leon, a rock or a hard place?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I don’t want you to attack me at all.
        
        As you ignore the facts of what I said, collectivist patrickforeigner.
    - WTF
      
      Correct, unlike lefties here who don’t understand the rules, ex-pats generally can’t claim any benefits abroad from their host country.
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    But if they stopped emigration what would the net immigration figure skyrocket to?!
    - WTF
      
      If emigration was banned (don’t see how they can do that) the ONS shows over 150,000 Brits emigrated in 2013. Bear in mind the is a phenomenal loss in money to the UK economy in taxation and spend probably approaching 30 million at a conservative figure of 20k per person. That’s each year but add in capital leaving the country from property sales, there’s a one off hit of over 100 million pounds.
      
      So to answer your question, year on year net immigration would rise by 150,000 people however the costs of extra services would be met by their tax & NI contributions as these are by a large skilled workers. The bottom line is the country loses a lot of income from emigration of skilled people but costs sky rocket from immigration of low skilled or unemployable immigrants.
      
      Both parties try to hide these numbers as its a lie to say that fiscally we need low skilled immigrants. The only time immigrants had a positive fiscal contribution to the economy was directly after WWII when there was a serious shortage of semi skilled workers in the service sector. Back then of course there wasn’t much in the way of welfare benefits anyway unlike today.
      - A Alan
        
        The figures run into the billions each year. Even at a modest 50,000 per person including assets, pension transfers etc the figures is 7.5 billion pounds. And into the mix the loss of skills and knowledge. The new arrivals are not replacing that loss and I doubt the billionaire Russians are bringing all their wealth into the UK, nor are any other billionaires.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        I was only refering to the headline net immigration figure which is made less disastrous sounding by taking off the loss of skilled, self supporting people and would jump to around half a million a year!
      - WTF
        
        Fair point and politicians do love to offset the emigrant numbers to the immigrant figures but deliberately ignore the fiscal points that I’ve made. In reality its like swapping a 2016 fully loaded quality limo and receiving a rusty 1970’s Fiat Panda in return.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, is that your latest trick.
  - WTF
    
    You’re right and virtually no ex-pat claims a penny, cent, centimos in benefits from their host country and and not only that, in non EU countries for the most part, their state pensions are frozen. A rather different picture emerges with immigrants from third world countries to the UK.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Just wait awhile, Child,they’re doing it as fast as they can.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  I hear plenty of hate signaling thugs causing problems, on the other hand. As you complain about house building, can’t let the poor escape your slums, landlord!
  
  Meanwhile, the deprivation you want to deepen…
  - Sue Smith
    
    You’re really getting into the plonk now!!
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      No, I leave your issues to you, hate signaler. Tell me, how annoyed are you about the hand grenade not going off?
- A Alan
  
  This is from a French documentary and shows what happens when the left crashes into reality. Watch it all but the really interesting stuff happens at 7.10. Do we really want these ungrateful people in the UK ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbTSdUdQeLY
  - Sue Smith
    
    HILARIOUS! The irony seems to have escaped THEM that they’ve exceeded their own use-by dates!!! That they’re literally ‘on the nose’…!!!
    - A Alan
      
      It explodes quite a few myths. If these people were desperate then any food would be welcome. Secondly if these were all the highly educated types that the left keep telling then they would realise that canned food is perfectly safe to eat many months indeed years after first being packaged. What it does show is a disdain and entitlement culture and no matter what benefits the UK bestows on them it will not be enough.
      
      As an earlier poster states these people will not be living in the Hampstead/Islington. Wouldn’t it be nice if maybe UKIP purchased a house in Hampstead as an investment near to some lovely lefties. They rented the house out to these types and stood back and watched the reaction. It would make great reality TV. Other episodes could be a doing the same to Vanessa Redgrave and letting the house out to some Travellers, likewise finding where the leading lights for the Howard League for Penal Reform/Prison Reform Trust live and renting out a house as a bail/halfway house for recently released prisoners.
      - Jesus H Corbyn
        
        actually Kipper, Corbyn would be fine with having immigrants move in next door to him and he lives in islington which is a very mutli-ethnic borough
      - A Alan
        
        I’m not a kipper so you got that one wrong. I am merely sick and tired of the left being a bunch of hypocrites. A Labour Party that was created to further the interests of the working classes of the UK and over the last 20 years has sold them out and inflicted on them and their communities nothing but increased crime, depressed wages, housing shortages and rapidly changing demographics in their communities with those having the temerity to speak out about it are called bigots and racists. Those very same Labour politicians then sod off to their homes in the Cotswolds aka Jack Straw, Roy Jenkins, Barbara Castle etc. along with their chums from the Guardian and the BBC.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Ah, but ethnics of a certain social standing, don’t you know.
      - Sue Smith
        
        Lovely irony if the house could be purchased! Alas, not likely. A relative of my husband’s lives in Hampstead!! I can imagine they’d be a bit twee there.
        
        I’m pleased to note that activism on behalf of conservatives who advocate free speech and democracy is on the rise. And I’m booked to attend a Mark Steyne lecture in Sydney at the end of next month. Apparently, they’ve been overwhelmed with the demand for tickets!
      - E.I.Cronin
        
        Sue I’d love to hear your review post-Steyne. Have left Sydney but I would’ve camped outside for a ticket. He will be huge hit.
      - Sue Smith
        
        I live in the Hunter now myself, but it’s only a 90 minute drive to Wahroonga station from my place.
Patricia

“…But once they’re here, don’t for a moment pretend that they are normal citizens. Label them, stigmatise them, confine them, and nick their money. This is a truly shocking way to treat human beings and it should shame us all.”
Can’t believe you said that Rod. Tongue in cheek I hope ?
trobrianders

To call these invaders people is stretching it. They certainly aren’t people suited to our civilisation as well as millions already here.
- Todd Unctious
  
  275,000 Americans, 600,000 Irish, 400,000 Germans, 250,000 French, 200,000 Australians, 150,000 Canadians. 300,000 Italians. No not suited to our civilisation.
  - trobrianders
    
    Is disingenuous your default?
    - Todd Unctious
      
      What is deceitful about recounting the numbers of immigrants here from certain nations? I assume you object to all incomers.
      - trobrianders
        
        There may be a small percentage of Muslims in the numbers you quote above but you must be aware the invaders I spoke of are from other “nations” much further east of here.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        FYI. France, Germany and Australia are all east of here.
      - trobrianders
        
        No debate. The default position of filthy cultural Marxists. Your Loonyversity education has done you no favours. It’s shrivelled your brain.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Thanks for the reasoned debate, gumby.
      - polidorisghost
        
        Todd honey, you’re making a fool of yourself.
      - Sue Smith
        
        Leave Australia out of this, if you please.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Why. There are up to 400,000 Australians in thexUK at any particular time and 1.3 million British in Oz.
      - Sue Smith
        
        We’re definitely the new master race. Leave us out of discussions about ordinary mortals!! 🙂
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Now that is funny. A race of nasally challenged knuckle draggers and Croats.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        France?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        You Kippers do struggle with general knowledge. That is why so few see anything you say as credible. France us indeed East of Britain It is an hour ahead in the timezones.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        My , Bloater, how foolish you are. Next time you sail out in your sieve, from Isle of Wight, say,head due South. If you don’t bump into France, well you’ve gone the wrong way.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Australia, Germany, Italy, France are all south of here AND east of here. As you quoted east. There latitude is not relevant.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        “there latitude”…? Where latitude? Oh poor Bloater, gets his facts wrong and balls up his grammar. Improve or I shall ignore you.Neither will be difficult.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Please do ignore me you troll kipper.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Not now, Bloater. I’ve got my beady eye on you. Better smarten up, or else.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Oh no. I am being hounded by an imbecile. Jog on Rain Man and leave us be. We don’t need your ranting idiocy here.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        But you do need me. How will you learn otherwise?
      - Sue Smith
        
        “West of the Wall”. Oh, wait, that was a song.
      - Cosmo
        
        I think your virtue has been signalled and duly noted. Well done you.
      - Sue Smith
        
        I’m only sorry that Rodgers & Hammerstein aren’t still alive to put music and words to a ditty all about virtue signalling. It could possibly have a similar melody to “Doh, Ray, Me” (in solfege).
      - Todd Unctious
        
        I suppose there is some virtue in pointing out the basic flaws in a racists argument.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        No,of course not. Some are more welcome than others. Same as the guests in your home, one supposes….
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      Yes, he’s a troll, just so you know.
      - Sue Smith
        
        And I do wish he’d pass on the the Trobriand Islands of his name.
  - Fraziel
    
    All from countries with a similar culture to ours, people who want to work, do not cause social cohesion problems and who are not islamists who treat women as second class citizens or who might want to kill us.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Dont be so ridiculous. If 200 Greeks come here, all multi- millionaires with their money in tax havens. They do not wish or need to work. But they do want to buy large expensive properties and even acres and acres of country estate and grouse moor. Putting severe pressure on our creaking housing sector and further marginalising poorer Britons.
      - Sue Smith
        
        This is your classic case of “look over there!”. It won’t work; merely a red herring, changing the subject and avoiding the crux of the argument.
        
        Tried. Failed.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Not sure what you mean. Do you propose only discriminating against the poor?
  - Picquet
    
    …and pretty well every one of them of European extraction, with a primarily Christian ethos firmly in their bones.
    Suited, I’d say.
  - Sue Smith
    
    Maybe not yours, but certainly ours.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Does anyone notice something about this list? They are all of European extraction! Wow, that’s a first then…..
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Does anyone notice something about this list? They are all of European extraction! Wow, that’s a first then…..
    - Todd Unctious
      
      What the Japanese and the Koreans?
- Sue Smith
  
  I’m going to laugh when Sweden becomes a caliphate and sits neatly just above Europe!! No, seriously, I will laugh because the first thing to happen is that the ‘progressives’ will be rounded up!!
  
  Ah, now that I passed that I feel better!
- evad666
  
  Rape and Murder in Sweden
  
  But her assailant was only thixteen?
  
  http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6190/sweden-refugee-children
  
  and of course it could never happen here?
  
  http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/immigrants-in-their-20s-put-25379/
  
  But with weak minded socialists what can we expect?
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422133/Cologne-style-sex-attacks-happen-weekly-Birmingham-Labour-MP-says-women-baited-heckled-weekend-city-centre.html
  
  after all they boost their chances of re election the more they cram in.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11577057/Somali-rapist-can-stay-in-Britain-on-human-rights-grounds.html
Morris Jasper

I recently witnessed “Cogito ergo Corbyn”, scrawled on the side of a disused croissant, in Tufnell Park. This was written, in what I believed to be, single source balsamic vinegar.
- Hagen vanTronje
  
  Very good !
DaviddeAngelis

Check out this, made me laugh: https://twitter.com/DavidSedgwick4/status/691283813071192064
- Mongo
  
  Obi Wan Corbnobi – signalling his virtue. Brings a tear to the eye
  
  ‘Give me your huddled masses…. as long as they don’t live near me and somebody else pays for them….’
  - Sue Smith
    
    Bingo!!
- Sue Smith
  
  Hold the phone!!! He thinks he’s the Pope!!!
  - Mongo
    
    worse, he thinks he’s Jesus – look at him trying to heal that kid
    - Sue Smith
      
      I think on a scale of 10, staring with 1 as the worst and 10 as the best, he’d have to be a 1 for Jesus and a 10 for the Pontiff – the man who just doesn’t get it (any!). I remember the jokes in high school about the Pope (John 23rd at that time) saying Catholics shouldn’t take the pill. The standard punch-line (could be useful for Frank!) …”You no play-a de game, you no make-a de rules”!!
      
      But Corbyn, he’s a virgin – a political virgin!!
Picquet

Don’t sit on that fence too long, Rod. Give us your opinion free from the fear of Yasmin and Polly which seems to be stapling your lips. Truth will set you free.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  Yasmin has just been on Question Time nocking tax avoiders.
  
  How come no one pulled her up on the Guardian’s tax avoidance?!?!?!
  - Picquet
    
    She whines for the ‘Independent’.
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      As well, in a regular column.
      
      And she’s contributed to the Observer.
      
      But I bet the Lebedevs pay all the UK tax they can!
  - Arthur Sparknottle
    
    Yasmin caused me to turn the programme off. I couldn’t tolerate her constant haranguing and semi-hysterical interruptions. A sort of intemperate babbling sense of her own moral perfection. And the fact that she was inspite of her supreme self confidence entirely wrong about everything.
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      Only semi-hysterical?!
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Well, as you know, I abhor exaggeration. It is possible that she could have been more hysterical; for example, she could have run around screaming. That’s why I said semi-hysterical. It was intolerable though, even as it was. I had to switch off.
Mr B J Mann

Eh? Isn’t it the “liberals” who complain about the wrist bands (you know, like the ones trendy-lefties wear at festivals, oh, and at swimming pools, although perhaps not if they are having free private lessons for burqa clad refugees)?

Isn’t it the Corbynistas who were complaining about the red doors, or was it the fact they hadn’t been painted for 20 years that got them to man the barricades. But didn’t Labour councils, when they had council estates, also paint all the doors red?! (It’s cheap and in plentiful supply, though you could probably get blue if you were a conservative, or white if you were, er, white?!).

And isn’t the whole point of the Danes “rob them of their money and their jeweller” is that they expect their own citizens to contribute to their own welfare if they have the resources.

And I don’t think the British government, including any Labour one, will give a stale pale indigenous male loadsa dosh if they fall on herd times if they’ve got a few quid stashed away, will they?!

Or have I misinterpreted a Liddle irony?!
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  So you get confused between voluntary and forced…right.
  
  Not realizing there’s a difference between one company doing just some doors where some people live and an entire estate…
  
  And no, robbing people of what they’ve managed to salvage is about robbing them of anything they’ve managed to salvage, like the far right before. If it was about living costs, then people with assets could be expected to contribute, rather than robbing them of anything they’ve managed to salvage.
  
  But hey, no surprise you’re for robbing people not like your ” stale pale indigenous male” – that is, far right nationalist – self-believed superior…
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    Nobody is forcing them to wear the wristbands.
    
    They can take them off and pay for their meals if they want!
    
    Now stop dibbling all over me, noeL nosefloW!
    - Mongo
      
      Noel Noseflow! HA HA good spot
    - Arthur Sparknottle
      
      I think he is a drinker. He comes along and goes completely bonkers and then accuses people of being j e w h a t e r s. Forgive the spaces but Spectator won’t publish a great many ordinary words and never actually moderates anything. They just dump posts into purdah and never look at them if they fall foul of the puritan automatic profanity filter.
    - Arthur Sparknottle
      
      Ha ha ha – he had my post to you deleted AGAIN….. The only times my posts vanish are when noeL nosefloW doesn’t like them. I’ve written thousands of posts on Disqus and the ones offending him are the only ones that go missing.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        The little squirt!
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        He accuses anyone who disagrees with him on any subject of J e w H a t e and the mods quail before him and remove the post, How spineless of them and how vile and corrupt of him.
  - Mongo
    
    AHH AHAHHHAHAH AH HAHAH A HH HAAHAHA!!!!
    - Sue Smith
      
      Oh yes, it’s The Feral at Large!! The Feral with the BIG alcohol problem.
  - WTF
    
    Get real we’ve had means testing from Labour and the Tories for decades if a British citizen wanted to claim some benefit or other so why should immigrants be any different. I’ve been an UK immigrant to both Spain and now America and I neither expect nor try to claim benefits and neither have I claimed any UK benefits.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Funny, if it was the same rules for everyone… but it’s not.
      
      As you admit you’re a hypocrite, I see. And I’d be more impressed with your claims if you’d paid tax. (Plus I don’t believe you’ve never used the NHS, etc.)
      - WTF
        
        You’re right, its not the same rules for everyone as Muslim
        pedophiles get a free pass or a lesser sentence than white pedophiles
        and the same goes for hate crimes where they get a complete free pass
        like Anjem Choudary.
        
        As for your weird comment about tax, as a PAYE tax payer for 40+ years and earning 50k+ for the last 10 working years I’ve probably paid 5 to 10 times as much in contributions than you’ve ever paid and certainly eco-migrants who walk in and claim immediately for some benefit or other.
        
        The health and state pension system which came into force in 1948 was specifically designed to be a contributory system and completely different to housing benefit or child benefits for 4 or more wives. Here’s the clue you ignoramus, its called NI or National Insurance meaning its a compulsory contributory insurance scheme that covers the country. As such I paid insurance premiums and on the rare occasion I’ve claimed on my insurance company for minor health treatment. Fundamentally its no different to any other health insurance scheme.
        
        However, I have NEVER claimed non contributory benefits like unemployment benefit as when I was out of work for 8 months in 1992 I used my savings to support my family and neither have I claimed any other benefit like housing, utilities or whatever.
        
        I had no problem whatsoever paying way more than my fair
        share in Tax or NI to support less well off UK citizens than myself who
        genuinely fall on hard times but I find it obscene that my taxes go to
        pay for non integrating ingrates, economic migrants and UK scroungers
        when there’s many deserving poor British people who should be looked
        after first !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you only care about some criminals, you’re talking about your plan. Right.
        
        As you try and pass off paying a pittance elsehere…right. As you make wild claims and as you lie about the welfare system, as you try and use wording to turn it into a weapon against the poor and immigrants, who’ll pay and get nothing under your plan.
        
        As you want to deal – like ATOS “dealt” – with the British you know are deserving but…
        
        As you say it’s “obscene” that Parliament is Sovereign…that non-integrated people like you, a rich scrounger… who objects to paying any tax ever, right, because of those not like you.
        
        (PS, changing in-work benefits as you want will of course lower wages, *especially* for British people – your agenda is clear!)
        
        Let’s remember kids, WTF supports robbing people who escaped IS.
      - WTF
        
        Are you sure you’re not some eco migrant ingrate who hasn’t learned English language grammar as you seem to have a big problem comprehending what I just posted.
        
        Everything I said about NI is 100% verifiable on the internet, assuming you’re capable of using a mouse. It is a state run insurance system which all tax payers pay into which I paid for 40+ years which entitled me to the full basic state pension. Both health cover and pension was fully paid up by me although now, the UK government is saving money by not covering me for health cover.
        
        As for your snide comment “who objects to paying any tax ever” insult and lie, I actually said “I had no problem whatsoever paying way more than my fair share in Tax or NI to support less well off UK citizens than myself”
        
        Don’t bother apologizing for that lie as I know you wont and it wouldn’t be sincere anyway.
        
        I fully support means tests for any non contributory benefit as its the only fair and sustainable way of paying for it. Why should an OAP be stripped of her home to pay for a care home but a economic migrant with 50k or more of gold trinkets be allowed to claim benefits.
        
        Do you really think that is fair ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m not like you, no, but thanks for standing up and saying who you are.
        
        As you ignore what I said, of course, and try and pretend there’s a separate fund still. Then you claim the internet proves you’ve paid it…hmm! Then you make some nonsense noises about “health cover”, when that certainly is not fully paid for by NI!
        
        As you once more very clearly state you object to paying tax becuase people you don’t like get cash, right, a penny goes to someone you don’t consider “British” (outside your ideology, right), as you support expensive and intrusive means testing, etc.
        
        As you want the OAP to never have been able to afford a home, right, and the government are shutting down many care homes…as you then try and make excuses about migrants again, trying to pretend that means-testing is the same as robbery.
        
        I don’t consider robbery fair. You have supported robbery there, not means testing. There is no “testing”, it’s just stealing anything of value (and making sure, actually, those people need government support!)
      - WTF
        
        I never said there is a separate fund there but neither does BUPA or other health providers have a fund, they use current contributions to pay for current treatment, they are both health insurance schemes. The only difference is NI is compulsory for tax payers.
        
        How many more times do I have say it for you to comprehend this simple statement “I had no problem whatsoever paying way more than my fair share in Tax or NI to support less well off UK citizens than myself”
        
        Pretty much all western countries have means testing for benefits that a recipient never paid for, its called fairness to tax payers. If its stealing for migrants then its stealing for pensioners and the homes, there is no difference. However, I don’t call it that for either case and nor do most people.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Trying to compare private coverage in the UK, which is an add-on, with the NHS. Sad.
        
        As you state again and strongly you don’t pay a penny of UK tax as non-UK citizens get paid, right, as that’s what you consider fair. I hear you!
        
        (Also, remember kids – “your time” – he’s not British!)
        
        As you try and conflate normal means testing with robbery.
        
        Means testing means you have people who can afford it pay for certain things, only according to actual costs.
        
        Robbery means you take everything of value from what people managed to save, leaving them dependent on the state.
        
        You support the latter. As you try and hide it, and pretend to be most people. Hmm!
        I’m sure you want to steal from pensioners and their homes, sure.
      - WTF
        
        Suck it up, means testing is here to stay for everyone even if you disagree.
        
        I don’t agree with it on OAPs property but if their homes can be ‘stolen’ to pay for their care then so should migrants valuables above the same limit should be “stolen” for their care. Whats right is right !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you’ll overthrow the government and…right.
        
        As you support not means testing, but theft. As you try and change means testing into theft, as you disagree with means testing and use theft as an excuse to steal, I hear you.
        
        Obviously, as a sideline, you clearly stole your EU passport. Bad man, you.
      - WTF
        
        I think its time you went to sleep as you’re posting more and more disjointed cr** !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, putting your enemies to sleep, as you whine about facts and support theft.
- Mongo
  
  perhaps Rod didn’t read the article that exposed the ‘Red Door scandal’ as bunkum
sidor

A Russian saying: an uninvited guest is worse than a tartar.
- Todd Unctious
  
  Only Russians say Tatar for the 7 million Turkic and Mongol folk living alongside them.
  Tartar can be reduced by regular flossing.
  - Sue Smith
    
    I think you’ll find that’s Calculus. See if that adds up!!
    - Todd Unctious
      
      I refer you to Coughing Bob Fleming. Those Horse Brasses are from Tiverton.
edithgrove

I think the Danes are applying the same rule we apply in the UK to benefit seekers, that you may not have more than around six thousand in capital, something like that, if you want to claim.
WTF

No matter what ethnicity, color or race you are, if you make an effort and try to integrate into your new host country, I’ve found from experience you’ll be treated no different from natural born citizens. I lived for 11 years in Spain and found the Spanish very welcoming and the staff at the local hospital couldn’t have been more friendly and helpful when I was there for 5 days. Likewise, its the same in the USA where my primary care doctor and a cardiologists were friendly as well. It doesn’t take any real effort to adapt to your new environment and if need be, try and learn the language and it pays dividends if you make the effort.

If however, you refuse to integrate, you have a chip on your shoulder, you demand special treatment and can’t even make any effort to learn the language, don’t expect a welcome mat to be put out for you. If you take in genuine refugees I’m sure most will be very appreciative but when ungrateful freeloaders and criminals slip in due to our lack of back ground checks, you can’t expect normal people to be welcoming.
- Sue Smith
  
  Bravo. This simple axiom has gone completely over the heads of the “elites” simpleton brigades.
- Jesus H Corbyn
  
  all the immigrants i know integrate perfectly into british life
  - vieuxceps2
    
    That is an obvious lie. If you try propaganda, at least make it believable.
    - Jesus H Corbyn
      
      how do you know who I know and who I don’t know?. I don’t live in a town with many immigrants but those who are here integrate perfectly into the British way of life. The local GP is an Indian for instance.
      
      Not that they should have any obligation to assimilate British culture at the expense of their own anyway
      - Ray Spring
        
        I used to live in Birmingham. So glad I left Brum, and UK, years ago. Birmingham now has machine gun murders, ghettos and gangs.
        Birmingham, as I knew it, has been destroyed.
        My local GP here is English. I live in Christchurch, NZ. Thank God!
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Unlike most Brummies who seem to have opened a chain of B&Bs and tatty tearooms all the way from the Bagley Road to Lands End. Brummy is the default accent in Devon , just as the Surrey toffs have colonised N Cornwall.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you are a hypocrite who hates Britain, right, and ignores the high-crime days of the 1990’s.
      - Ray Spring
        
        I am English and left Brum in 1968, immediately after the ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech by Enoch Powell. The speech was made in Brum, New Street I think. Enoch was the Conservative MP for Wolverhampton. It was the most important political speech made post-war. Like Churchill, pre-war, Enoch was vilified and ignored. I did not ignore him, and left.
        Most English people have now left Brum. The city is now occupied by the newly minted ‘British’.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, as his attempt to cause a civil war failed, you fled? Right. I hear you.
        
        As you lie about “Brum”, and hate on the British as you always have.
        
        Fact; Crime was much higher in the mid-90’s.
      - WTF
        
        Yep, even that daft cow from Labour, Jess Phillips said Brum was as bad as Cologne.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        An Indian GP. Well my local builders are all cowboys.
      - Cosmo
        
        You really shouldn’t keep up-voting your own posts. Leave that to your fellow delusionalist Mr. Unctious.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        OF COURSE THEY DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ASSIMILATE!!!!
        
        Not to assimilate is to put yourself in the position of an exploiter. If you do that, you came here to take advantage and not to accept what it is to be British. Considerable numbers of Muslims in this country openly admit to having no sense of loyalty to the nation. In which case they came here as parasites.
        
        Indians, Jews, the Irish (like some of my ancestors), the Italians (like some of my ancestors) do assimilate. If you ask any of those people if they are loyal to this nation they will say yes to a man and a woman. Pakistanis, North Africans, not so much. they openly say in large numbers that they have sympathy with our enemies and that their first loyalty is not to our institutions and our nation.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, they must behave exactly like you, or else, right.
        
        You have no loyalty to Britain, for starters you want to smash the Union. As you ignore many Jews in London, who are not assimilated. Etc.
        
        (Many of the Haredi don’t have loyalty to ANY nation-state, which they consider temporary constructs of man…)
        
        And they say they are sympathetic to you? Hmm!
      - WTF
        
        Mad as a march hare !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, the usual far right fare – the accusations that not thinking like you and your lies is mental illness – a totalitarian and social darwinist way of suppressing debate on your part.
        
        I’m British, and I oppose people like you who hate this country, want to shatter it… your self-issues due to your ancestors is not my problem, either. As you once more show your ignorance of many minorties – and you refuse to see your kind of hate is the best sort of recruiting banner extremists among minorities want.
      - WTF
        
        I wouldn’t be posting my thoughts if I didn’t love my country of birth that is committing cultural suicide thanks to bigots like you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Look, Russian…
        
        As you blame Jews like me, calling us bigots and repeating the old far right hate lies about “cultural suicide”….your far right are a political group, of course, and that you find less and less tolerance for your hate…
      - WTF
        
        As I said before, you’re not a Jew in my book with your views and attitudes and its you referencing you’re perception of race not me.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, you say very clearly you’re a Jewhater. You deny Judaism’s basic law on who’s a Jew, as you stake your colors out. Race? My my.
      - WTF
        
        You’re delusional, re-post where I said that !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR DELUSIONAL, JEW”
        
        As you try and deny your post right before…
      - WTF
        
        I said you were delusional, that was all, there was no racial element.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Racial, eh. So, you admit social, religious, etc. – so, you admit I was right.
        
        As you double down on your wild hate, your far right social darwinist and totalitarian insistence that disagreement with your views is madness, etc.
      - WTF
        
        Not worthy of a response !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, but mocking you is funny, as I was right.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Corbeau, can younot see that if incomers pursue their own culture it will be at the expense of ours? Ah, I forgot. That doesn’t matter,and in any case we have no culture ,have we? In fact, there is no “we” is there? (Saves you replying, you see) Job done.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you “see” anything else as working against your far right.
        
        Your political far right are generally uncultured, now you mention it. And no, you’re not part of “we” British. Your work continues!
      - WTF
        
        Lets be honest here, you’re so out of touch you don’t even know that left and right don’t really exists anymore. These days its realists or those who can see whats going wrong with the country regarding mass immigration and cultural suicide and deniers, those like yourself who are blinded by inverse racism and bigotry and will not take any responsibility for the results of their sick social engineering programs. At least the Nazis had more honesty and didn’t try and hide what they were doing unlike the Corbyns of this world.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, so you lie and make excuses for your far right, as you claim that people who don’t hate the Other are not “realists”. Typical dehumanising language from your far right, of course.
        
        As you talk about your plans to destroy British culture and deny your extremist right wing views, as you try and make exuses about “inverse” to try and give special status – to avoid discussion of – your racism and bigotry, as you call not hating people just because of thought crime theory to be “sick”.
        
        As you praise your Heros, and try and then oddly try and project from them onto Corbyn, who does not share your hate at all.
      - WTF
        
        Re-read my post, there are no left and right anymore !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You’re frantically making excuses for your far right. I hear you, trying to justify their actions.
        
        Hand Grenade, eh?
      - vieuxceps2
        
        How fortunate you are Corbeau. Asian doctor any good is she?
      - WTF
        
        You’ve already made a fool of yourself once why keep digging.
        
        As I’ve posted here and elsewhere, plus others like Arthur above have commented, its primarily ill-educated Muslim people from countries like Pakistan, Kashmir and North Africa who wont integrate. No one forces them to assimilate like liberals try to force the country to follow their dogma, but neither should they reject UK culture. If its that objectionable to them why come to the UK ?
        
        I’ve had Indian neighbors twice in the UK and now Portugese neighbors and have been to their parties with family and friends as well as them coming to my house. My UK Indian neighbor even came and stayed with me in Spain with his two young kids. Funny that this integration thing when everyone can embrace it except Muslims who want an Islamic Apartheid which usually comes with that UK “entitlement” syndrome I mentioned above.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you blame your discrimination…
        
        As you mention some people you’ve fooled, and who I’d warn if I could. Thanks for espousing your entitled viwes..
      - WTF
        
        There is no discrimination other than the sort we see from self imposed Islamic Apartheid in the west.
        
        A dumb poster like Jesus H Corbyn recently postsed
        
        “all the immigrants i know integrate perfectly into British life”
        
        in a discussion on integration.
        
        The self evident response by another poster who was on the ball replied with
        
        “Well if they hadn’t integrated you wouldn’t know them, you blithering idiot.”
        
        Perhaps you and Jesus H Corbyn should digest this obvious fact rather than baiting !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, so you deny your hate and discrimination. Right.
        
        As you ignore the fact that most people are willing to meet people not identical to them, as you clearly refuse to do. As you want to shove your bigotry and hate down my throat… as you then mention your projected baiting… dogs? badgers?
      - WTF
        
        Apart from the UK where I worked and socialized with Indian & Afro Carribean ethnic groups, I have already demonstrated my easy integration with Spain & America in a life style setting as well as successfully working with people from the Americas, to Australasia, Asia in Japan & Korea, all of Europe of course, South Africa & Kenya and even Jordan.
        
        I don’t need to deny any hate or discrimination where none exists, but perhaps you’d care to list what integration efforts you have achieved in your miserable existence !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I don’t have your existence, but as you just admitted you’re lying, Mr. Miserable…
      - WTF
        
        So you are incapable of being objective not having had my experiences.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you make up fantasies. But no, I don’t have the “experience” of hating everyone not just like me, no.
      - WTF
        
        I’ve already proved I’m cosmopolitan and mix with many races, lets hear about your credentials that seem to be missing here !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I don’t feel the need to note I “mix” with people I hate, and hence am not a menace – after all, as you say you’d get rid of them hence you were undermining them, etc. (I believe you follow your ideology, in other words)
        
        Oh, and your transparent attempt to try and get personal details off me so you can try and find me…hahaha. Oh dear. (Anyone who tries that hard to lie about their far right credentials, as you do…no!)
      - WTF
        
        You don’t seem to mix with anyone as you seem to have a severe chip on your shoulder, its 4 AM in the morning your time and you’re rambling on promoting reverse discrimination all the time.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you ignore the fact I’m talking to you, and you personally, as you talk about the axe wound you want to put into my shoulder.
        
        You just admitted you’re not British or in Britain, I note (and I’m helping community security…I have a bunch of monitors I’m watching while using voice type for this…)
        
        As you blame me for the ” reverse discrimination” in your head, when you just hate me for not being just like you.
      - WTF
        
        You’re hilarious and sad !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR HILLARIOUS”
        “UR SAD”
        
        All you have, right, subversive foreigner.
      - Ray Spring
        
        So you have little knowledge of cities being over-run by migrants.
  - Todd Unctious
    
    Well our largest group of Immigrants are and always have been the Irish.
  - Arthur Sparknottle
    
    Well you don’t know that many then. I would agree that some do, as you say integrate perfectly well into British life, but a great many do not, and they are primarily ill-educated Muslim people from countries like Pakistan, Kashmir and North Africa. They decidedly do not integrate and they openly display their lack of integration by dressing as if they were in the Middle East, abusing their women folk, not working except in the black economy and occupying our jails in vastly disproportionate numbers. Only an imbecile could have written what you just did.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah yes, how dare clothing other than the Allowable be shown. As you mention the sort of discrimination you’ll show, and the bigotry…as you spout off eugenics…
  - patrickirish
    
    Well if they hadn’t integrated you wouldn’t know them, you blithering idiot.
    - WTF
      
      Excellent, that made my day, thanks !
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      No, that just shows how limited your view is.
      - patrickirish
        
        Not being a cosmopolitan I don’t have a “world” view. Like you pretend to have.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you admit you don’t even know enough about the world…
        
        I, unlike you, have had an education and hence…
      - patrickirish
        
        I, unlike you Leon, am interested in my tribe, my people, my culture.
        You, are better than me, aren’t you, because you don’t put your own people ahead of others, and that is what gives you a world view – when it comes to the crunch you will choose the Muslim to save rather than one of your own. Or as a globalist with a world view do you not have your “own”.
        You don’t like being attacked – then stop attacking others!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you only care about your far right.
        
        You choose to be narrow minded and your political stance. As you make up hate lies out of thin air, of course, fantasizing about me.
        
        You are the one on the offensive, as your far right have been again and again.
        You were stopped at Cable Street, you’ll be stopped again.
- MathMan
  
  ‘Demand special treatment’. Like free housing, food ,clothes, schooling, medical ect.
  - WTF
    
    Its called the “entitlement” syndrome where some people of ANY ethnicity have an attitude towards the rest of us over what they believe is a right. I’m entitled to certain things like my state pension but if I ring the DWP as I did the other day to change banking details, I was courteous and polite not demanding, a pain in the rear or downright objectionable as freeloaders tend to be. Perhaps you didn’t hear the comments from some of those men at Calais talking about what they would demand once they got into the UK !!!!
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Well yes, it’s you. Right. Your nature really shines here, as you try and take a media PR shoot where they found a few people among many…
      - WTF
        
        Its difficult to not have a media shoot when there’s so many of them and they stick out so much aided by people like you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, “aided” by the Jews like me, as you try and excuse the media looking for a story.
        
        Blame the Jews, your monotone…
      - WTF
        
        You’re hilarious in a sick sort of way as despite your rabid reverse racism and bigotry, I have been and still am friends with those of the Jewish faith and far more than I’m willing to go into.
        
        You’re a complete disgrace to British Jewry (assuming you live in the UK) as you’re nothing like the compassionate and sensible Jews I have known but as in all civilized races, there’s always a bad apple or or two. However, it doesn’t sway or change my opinion one iota of my Jewish friends.
        
        I judge people as I find them and if its only one nutjob that pops up I don’t write off a complete race. When it gets to 5% who are nutters with 50% or more as active / passive supporters, that’s a different matter.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, “UR SICK JEW”, as you try and blame me for your racism and bigoty. If I knew who was in danger from your fanaticism I’m warn them – clearly you think you’ve wormed your way into a position to do real damage!
        
        As you say not hating my own people makes me a digrace, as you try and deny I’m British and as you espouse eugenics, of course, and talk about the few self-haters among Jews who hate Israel, etc – they don’t represent the Jewish community.
        
        Your far right are an issue, as you admit, but a political group is not a race.
      - WTF
        
        If you bother to re-read our previous posts on this small section, I never once called you a Jew for one very simple reason, you’re nothing like any Jew I’ve known. I only call it as it is based on views or actions and not on race. I’ve referred to you as a thoroughly objectionable denier of the truth but with no reference to your faith or race. You were the one who linked yourself to Jewry as in –
        
        “aided” by the Jews like me
        
        Blame the Jews
        
        “UR SICK JEW”
        
        That was a very cheap shot and lame attempt to try and pin ‘racist’ on me but your failed miserably as I’m not and have demonstrably shown it. You on the other hand don’t seem to have experienced the diversity of other cultures as I have and have tried to pin your own racism & bigotry on me instead.
        
        With attitudes like you have, I wouldn’t dream of calling you Jewish !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you admit for the record I’m the only Jew you know, as you judge me…right.
        
        You think not mentioning why you hate me is a good excuse, check.
        
        You said people like me, that’s Jews, it’s you hating.
        
        As you try and hide your views, putting them beyond criticism as you try and claim your sabotage means you’re such a rgreat guy, as you accuse me of your issues over and over, a sadly typical far right tactic of collectivism when I’m of course talking about you personally, foreign subversive.
        
        As you spout “U NO JEW, JEW”. Proving your fundamental anti-semitism, as you try and define who’s a Jew based on your bigotry.
        
        (Judaism is of course matrilineal (sp), period)
      - WTF
        
        I know plenty of Jewish people.
        
        I don’t hate you, I think you’re pitiful as a denier.
        
        I never knew you were a Jew until you told me but all my references were to do with your politics as you full well know but I’m still not convinced you’re really a Jew as I’ve known them.
        
        I’m not hiding anything, its you doing the obfuscation and conflating.
        
        Have you completely lost your marbles, to paraphrase you what on earth is “As you spout “U NO JEW, JEW”. ?????
        
        If it walks and quacks like a duck then it usually is, but you sure don’t sound like any Jewish person I’ve met but if you insist you are one, so what. I’m discussing real issues like illegal immigration, fiscal matters, crime, terrorism & rape and race is immaterial in that context.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, the plenty of one as you deny your posts.
        
        As you deny what you said about my kind (Jews), but then you reverse and note your Jewhate. Odd.
        
        As you say facts are losing marbles, and you highlight why I see your right wing thuggery, and as you say you don’t knew Jews, hence…as you try and hide your hate, right. The usual.
      - WTF
        
        This is very tiring and I’m off to bed but I will add that deniers like you ALWAYS try to turn valid criticism, comment of inconvenient facts into racial slurs and they do it because they can’t and wont debate the facts. I’ll say this, you’ve tried very hard and I’ll give you 10 out of 10 for effort in trying to label me a ‘Jew hater’ (your words not mine), but the posts don’t support it. As far as achieving you attempts to pin ‘race hate’ on me, I give it 0 out of 10 as the facts back me on this.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, Jews like me…blah blah, as you accuse me of writing your posts, when the facts don’t support you, and as you fight debate with your wild accusations of mental illness.
        
        As you say the posts are not the posts, right, no Jewhate in your Jewhate, not for your superior ideology.
        
        As you say your race hate, which you admit right there…your posts are not mine, as you claim a “factual” basis for it, like your ideological predecessors again! Really, transparent is transparent.
      - WTF
        
        I refuse to respond to any self hate comment by yourself, its pointless, go see a shrink !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you admit given I don’t follow your self-hate practices you will respond – as you have,
        
        And sure, give me your details so I can refer you as you asked…
      - WTF
        
        I suggest you stop digging your own hole before it falls in on top of you ! Do you honestly think people will view me as a Jew hater when its you posting your own Jew self hate comments, give it up, it ain’t working !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Thanks Grave Digger, as you claim I’m making your comments.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    They’re not allowed to work. So.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  No, I can expect your far right to hate. Always.
  
  You’re a hypocrite, you admit, as you globe trot, refusing to integrate, wielding the axe you use to make chips in people’s shoulders… as you reject the idea of refugees, right.
  - WTF
    
    Refusing to integrate eh ?, well lets check that for a moment !
    
    I’ve lived in South London and Hampshire for many years and had Indian neighbors who I partied with, been invited to one of their weddings and even had vacation with. In Spain I had two Spanish families living either side of me, one Spanish opposite, one German, a Swiss and a Russian family. Quite the international cul de sac and we all got on together very well, and helped each other when the occasion demanded it. Now I have American neighbours one side of me and 2 Portuguese families the other side and have partied with them also.
    
    By any standard most people would call that integration by me and them compared to the segregation that Muslims practice in their self created Islamic Apartheid ‘communes’.
    
    I wonder what ethnicity your neighbors are and have they been as diverse as mine and of similar cultural values. My suspicion is you either live in some cess pit of crime and anti-social behavior and haven’t got the strength of character to fix your own morose existence or you live in a rich area where champagne socialists moralize on others and constantly bait them based on race, color or religion.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, so you call setting people up for your hate “integration”, what did you do to them once their guard was lowered?
      
      As you suspect I’ve been one of your targets, and that I’m like you. Hmm! As you bait away, of course, as you engage in PC bigotry.
      - WTF
        
        Stop rambling, please !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, that excuse for not replying with any arguments.
      - WTF
        
        You’re the baiter conflating refugees with eco migrants or means testing with stealing.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you say that “means testing” is talking everything over a certain value from people, all at once.
        
        And that there are no refugees, right.
        
        Same old lying about my views, right.
      - WTF
        
        Refugees don’t have anything of value, that’s why they are called refugees. They wouldn’t be means tested.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        They’re not being means tested. They’re being stolen from. The entire point is they sometimes manage to escape with things where they flee… and you want to grab that off them, in your approval of theft.
        
        Like your ideological predecessors.
      - WTF
        
        If they are true refugees there is nothing that can stolen from them or even be means tested. A pointless response.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you decry many refugees are refugees based on your bigotry.
        Yes, your whining is pointless.
Sue Smith

Where I have a problem is the use of the word “elite”. These people are anything but. In my understanding, “elite” equates with being somehow classy – the best you can be. These lefties to whom you refer are really just stupid and that’s a world away from “elite”.
- MikeF
  
  But they regard themselves as being part of an elite even though the term ‘elitist’ is one of their cursewords.
  - Sue Smith
    
    Today I’ve just read a letter to the editor in “The Australian” where a ‘progressive’ claims that the right tries to shut down arguments by accusing people of political correctness!!!!!!!! They’re stealing our ideas. That’s why it’s all the more important to keep using the language of the Left back at them!! Couch everything in terms only they understand because they created them, as per this!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCis1U1nFR0
Jesus H Corbyn

Rod Lidl (the bargain basement hack) makes a contemptuous fool of himself again

he claims to be a working class Labour member but in reality he is one of the middle class Waitrose elite he claims to hate so much

Jeremy is doing his best to purge the Lidl’s of this world from teh party and bring our parry back to its working class roots

That grafitti almost moved me to tears. all you bigotted Kippers with your intense hatred of refugees had better get used to it. As one of the richest countries in teh world we have a duty and enough money to house these dispossesed suffering people. Don’t believe the Tory lies
- vieuxceps2
  
  “teh” word you seek is” contemptible”,rather like your comment.
  - Jesus H Corbyn
    
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contemptuous
    
    I think that makes you owned, Kipper
    - whs1954
      
      Did you even read that definition before you posted it? ‘Contemptuous fool’ makes no sense at all. You mean ‘contemptible fool’, don’t you?
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        I don’t like being put in the position of supporting @r sehole J. H Corbyn, but he can perfectly correctly say someone is a contemptuous fool. The great thing about our language is that it allows us to say things in many different ways and not just stick to trotting out well used phrases and sayings.
        
        By the way – where J. H Corbyn goes wrong with his remark is that Lidl isn’t anyone’s fool. On the contrary.
      - Jesus H Corbyn
        
        Of course Rod is a contemptuous fool. He’s contemptuous of reason and dignity
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        My support for you was ONLY on the question of whether a person could use the term ‘contemptuous fool’ rather than the more hackneyed, ‘contemptible fool’. My support for you stopped exactly there. You clearly miss-applied your freedom to use the term when you applied it to Mr Lidl. I’m not sure where ‘dignity’ comes into it. He is a comical commentator with a wry wit who makes fun of contemptible. propagandised, knee-jerk lefties like you. Perhaps that is why you dislike him so much; he points out your idiocy and that’s what presses your buttons.
    - vieuxceps2
      
      Liddell is you say,a contemptuous fool. Do you mean he expresses scorn for others.or that he is to be scorned because he does so?If you mean he Is the former then he is contemptuous,if the latter then he is contemptible. Which do you mean?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        Both. He is a fool . Simultaneously contemptible and contemptuous. He is to be scorned. His views are of no consequence. Like yours.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Ah,learned from me,eh?
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      Contempt?
      
      You Ars3!
  - Todd Unctious
    
    Dim Kipper. The Lidl Englanders are never the best with grammar.
    - vieuxceps2
      
      Better check in that big book propping the door open, Bloater.
- Cosmo
  
  Is there be any limit to your generosity with other peoples money? No, of course not, your a Socialist. The UK is £1.5 trillion in debt and growing daily. Also, the people who will pay the price for mass, unrestricted immigration are the “working class”.The evil rich and privileged elite love it. Conflicted? You should be.
- Arthur Sparknottle
  
  I hope he doesn’t purge Lidl. I’ve saved a fortune on my grocery bill by going there.
- Toy Pupanbai
  
  We must be rich to afford a National Debt of an unimaginable magnitude!
  Question. You sneer at Kippers. (UKIP?)
  Have you done a single thing to keep your country’s Sovereignty?
  Or are you one of those that take pleasure in the destruction of an ancient culture?
  - rogerrandout1
    
    Of course he is . Hes one of those ‘trend ‘lefties who are so good at spending other people money
Russ

My favourite two line graffiti from the 1970’s( inner west Sydney ,Oz. No quality graffiti for years, just mindless scribble. Formerly working class, now 99.99% infested with yuppies (I’m still refusing to leave.)
“Arms for Afghanistan!”
-“Legs for Tito”
and
“God hates homos”
“but he loves tabouli.”
- Jesus H Corbyn
  
  blame the traitor Blair and the evil Bush for arming afghanistan and creating this refugee crisis
- Todd Unctious
  
  An interesting insight into the huge numbers of Aussies from the former Yugoslavia and Greece.Melbourne the second largest Greek city in the World.
- E.I.Cronin
  
  heh!. I loved Newtown 30 years ago.
  You’re a brave man hanging in. On my last visit I noted the Burkas and crowds of Arab men in Enmore and thought the progressives won’t know what hit them when the south-west really moves in.
whs1954

‘‘Palace run from Millwall who, in turn, run from Hamlet.’

Dulwich Hamlet; like Clapton FC, Hamlet are no longer a football club, but a hang-out for achingly trendy middle-class prats, who go not to support a football club but to burnish their ‘anti-fascist’ (sic) credentials by waving banners that say ‘#refugeeswelcome’ and by singing songs against the BNP. Not so long ago I was in Camberwell Green and spotted a sticker stuck to a lamppost that read ‘Dulwich fans gegen rechts’ with a picture of a fist punching Farage’s face.

It’s got absolutely nothing to do with football but all about virtue signalling. I sincerely hope Hamlet are playing Clapton, with a packed ground, on the day the Russians decide to drop the bomb on Dulwich.
Robbydot1

Rod, I doubt they were banned from swimming pools for groping the locals, that’s more or less accepted now. I think it was more the case of them sh*tting and masturbating in the pools.
Uusikaupunki

Why should we pretend they are normal citizens?
Because they aren’t.
- Toy Pupanbai
  
  ……….Not in the Western Judeo-Christian sense!
Jacobi

We must start by getting out terminology right. The problem in UK is with migrants not refugees and what is more it is with religious migrants, namely Muslims.

As religious migrants they are suspect. Their objection is to change and control the UK state and the people therein. That is you and me.

One way of dealing with this is to ask all Muslims to sign a statement declaring that they will use no moves other than peaceful evangelisation to convert us to Islam. If they do not do so then they should be considered as dangerous and deported to from where they came. This incidently should apply to all Muslims not just recent arrivals.

The precedent for this has now been set in Sweden, and less definitively so in other European countries.

We must also now throughout Europe consider the humane option of internment. The Calais situation is a disgrace. Those people should be in proper camps, warm and fed while it is decided what to do with them. That means internment camps guarded by armed police, or Gendarmes or if necessary the army.
- Toy Pupanbai
  
  Dear God!
  ‘One way of dealing with this is to ask all Muslims to sign a statement declaring that they will use no moves other than peaceful evangelisation to convert us to Islam.’
  Read the Book:
  Muslims are permitted to use any artifice to gain an advantage!
- rogerrandout1
  
  The only way to muslims understand that Islam has no future here is to strengthen the bond we have with our Christian roots .They see a void here which they will try and fill and our weak leaders are stupid enough to allow that dreadful desease to take root all in the name of ‘diversity’ The Church o England is culpable here because it saw Islam as something ‘trendy’. As did all lefties although lefties saw it as a way to destroy the Church here on its way to destroying all our chrerished institutions. (yes they made strange bedfellow but as the saying goes ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend )
  - red2black
    
    ‘As did all lefties…’? Perhaps the Church of England only has itself to blame.
    If you believe there’ll be some sort of Christian revival due to the threat of Islam, I fear you’re going to be extremely disappointed. The village of Marinaleda in Spain is run by Leftists, and people who choose to, are free to worship at the local Catholic church.
    - rogerrandout1
      
      If you read my post you will see that i did indeed blame the Cof E .I am not in Spain but I do know that the Spanish kicked Islam out of that country 600 years ago .Did you know that? Spain is a secular country and mainly catholic in its religion .Im not sure just what point you are trying to make ?When Isalm returns you will not have the opportunity to freel worship .Make the most of it . Lefties will not be protected
      - red2black
        
        The point I’m trying to make is that the simplistic and polarised Right-Left, Theist-Atheist, Christian-Muslim picture doesn’t stand up to scrutiny for very long.
      - rogerrandout1
        
        Well its difficult to go into much detail on these threads . To get your point across things have to be condensed into a few paragaphs . and hope the gist of what you are saying gets through. Please explain why you think Christian/muslim picture doesnt stand up to scrutiny for very long. I have my opinions aboput Islam which have been formed after much study .Without going into detail I consider that there is no place for such a theocracy as violent in the West. I seriuosly believe that one day we here in Britain are going to have to make a stand against it ..That will happen after the followers of that cult have made life unbearable for many people here
      - red2black
        
        I meant in the sense of Right, Theist, and Christian being in opposition to Left, Atheist, and Muslim. I’m sure there are plenty of people on the Left, which is much more than some sort of monolithic Red bloc, who are opposed to Islam, not least because some of them are, as well as being Left, also Christian or Atheist.
        There does now seem to be a realisation that current levels of immigration have to be curbed, and some countries are starting to take action to make this happen. My own view is that the idea of deliberately dividing people into mutually exclusive races and nations, or that of deliberately mixing people to create ‘coffee-coloured people by the score’, are both ludicrous, and what’s more, dangerous. I’ve no desire to live in any type of theocracy, and it’s clear that an Islamic one is the most pernicious by a country mile.
      - rogerrandout1
        
        Cant say I disagree with that. We have never divided people along racial grounds in this country but islam has done so because their religion dictates that they must.. They are the only group in the UK that is preprogramed to do such a thing which makes their long term existance here questionable. I do blame successive British governments for this situation either through negligence or naivetythey have sown the seeds for future conflict..They have been too accomodating in my view but I blame the leftwing mentality that prefers to coddle rather than direct. .Political Correctness has alot to answer for!
      - red2black
        
        The road to you know where is paved with good intentions.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  “One way of dealing with this is to ask all Muslims to sign a statement declaring that they will use no moves other than peaceful evangelisation to convert us to Islam.”
  
  Why, when Christians aren’t even allowed to publicly say they are going to pray for someone, and if they do it is taken as harassment?!?!?
paul

What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness?

– Rousseau

One who knows how to show and to accept kindness will be a friend better than any possession.

– Sophocles

That best portion of a good man’s life,
His little, nameless, unremembered acts
Of kindness and of love.

– William Wordsworth
- Cosmo
  
  History is only the pattern of silken slippers descending the stairs to the thunder of hobnailed boots climbing upward from below. Voltaire.
  - Frank
    
    Absurd, but possibly better in the original French.
    - red2black
      
      “L’histoire est que le modèle de pantoufles de soie descendant les escaliers pour le tonnerre de bottes cloutées escalade de bas en haut” – Voltaire. Guerre de classe?
- Jacobi
  
  And kindness now is internment
- Mr B J Mann
  
  So you’re saying immigrants lack kindness and wisdom?!
thetrashheap

Nope if we voted in politicians stupid enough to let them in, eventually we will have to vote in somebody cruel enough to push them out.

Integration will never happen with that ideology. Currently our politicans can’t accept that because the implications are so bad. This means the problem with go and grow until we have no choice but to accept the problem.

There is no fixing this problem within our current social norms so they will eventual have to adapt.

We’ve blown it, Europe had the best society the world had ever seen and it’s destroyed itself.
- Jacobi
  
  Not so. We need politicians realistic enough to deal with them and if necessary that means removing them.
  If I may, to say there is no fixing this problem is wrong. They certainly do not take that attitude. They fully intend to fix the problem to their satisfaction. We must do the same, to our satisfaction. It won’t be pleasant and at this stage I am not sure who will win.
alfred5

Europe is feminised , decadent and self absorbed with a faux Hollywood TV trash culture …we are hopeless ; we cannot defend ourselves because we have lost the ruthless will to live that comes from struggle and adversity ;we have lost the meaning and sense of purpose that religion offers and are now cast adrift , nay marooned, in an archiphelago of existential despair !…..what now little man ..what now ?

We are in fact the ELOI from H G Wells ”Time Machine ” and the Muslims from the Maghreb , M E and Afghanistan are clearly the MORLOCKS …many if not most are young men , vigorous , hungry and contemptuous of their hosts who they see as weak , decadent and quasi homosexual …they are GATE CRASHING our borders because word has gotten out due to modern communications that the EU are a ”soft touch ‘ ‘ who will not enforce their borders !…they are not asking for entry , they are clearly demanding and will not take ”No ” for an answer !

”Here come the assassins stained in the colours of their trade ” !… Macbeth

Angela Merkel in a colossul fit of absent mindedness and female pyschobabble announced that Germany would take 800,000 so called refugees ; unfortunately she is likely to get 8 million, mostly male, migrants …she has in fact triggered an avalanche of epic proportions that is virtually impossible to switch off !

The EU will not do what is clearly necessary by moving decisively and sending their navies down there , stopping the migrant smugglers , sending the migrants back and then sinking the boats …only when word gets out in the developing world that the EU is wilfully enforcing their borders will the mass migration slow and stop ; but they will not do it because they are too soft , too feminised and too ”decent ” …indeed , they have lost the sense of a tragic nature of life and that we humans are in fact , predatory and ruthlessly opportunistic

Unsurprisingly , they are trying to get the Turks to slow down or turn off the migrant flow , but that is like asking the arsonist to become the Fire Chief ; the Turks are opportunistic fellows and will only do so at a stiff price …they will jack us out and hold us to ransom in a latter day DANEGELD or version of the Barbary Pirates and our so called leaders will pay it ; unfortunately , they will find that the ransom goes up in price opportunistically …the Turks will have no real intention of stopping the flow as they clearly intend to make the best of their good fortune and blackmail us !

We are in the midst of a major historical event , the greatest since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the former Soviet Union ; in fact , this could turn out to be nothing less than the greatest ,or at least most consequential, mass migration in human history and the collapse of the EU ….the Third World has one major advantage over us insomuch they have the POPULATION BOMB and are certain to use it against us !

”By the pricking of my thumbs something wicked this way comes ” ! …Macbeth
- Cosmo
  
  Absolutely spot on!
  A lot of the zealots on the left have simply replaced conventional religion with a slavish and unthinking devotion to a political ideology that preaches nothing but demonisation and destruction of White, Western civilisation, and the deifying of all things backward and foreign. The attitude of rabid feminists to the influx of slightly less than “progressive” Muslim immigrants is a good example of this disorder.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08&list=PLLeIjxRfC9pGQciDu5ivfnbTr68k8bKaM&index=3
  - alfred5
    
    Leftism is a secular substitute religion ; their actions only come into clear focus when viewed through a quasi religious lens
    - Sue Smith
      
      Yes, that’s quite right. Anything involving demagoguery has a strong religious flavour.
    - red2black
      
      In the scheme of things, Marx replaced Religious man with Economic man. Class struggle was based on Marx’s familiarity with French historians’ ideas about Race struggle.
      - alfred5
        
        Communism and Nazism were both secular religions of class and race with their flags , holy symbols , holy books and orders of warrior monks
      - red2black
        
        Religion means ‘rejoining with God’. I’d agree that such regimes, both political and religious, are primarily authoritarian and totalitarian, and as such, are to be avoided at all costs.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        They were faiths. Not religions.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Your lens, which you demand on seeing people though…is political correctness.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    No, in the left don’t follow your far right ideology. But details!
    
    As you note two of your target groups.
    - Cosmo
      
      You’ll have to try harder than that you tedious little tw@t. I regard any criticism emanating from your twisted little mind as a complement.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you don’t read my posts, demanding I lie and throwing insults, as you ignore the fact you confirmed what I was said about targeting…
      - WTF
        
        I’ll have to try that as I can’t figure out this annoying oik whose all over the place with his comments.
- Dominic Stockford
  
  Thank God we still have the channel – they haven’t found a way to fill it in yet…
  - Toy Pupanbai
    
    The cost of the silly Trident thing, would pay for a decent Coastal Command of land, sea and air forces on patrol.
    The Gurkhas are at a loose end, give them the Border Patrol job!
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Gurkhas run excellent curry houses.
- rogerrandout1
  
  Couldnt agreemore with your excellent summary of our predicament. Particularly the emphasis on our feminised society which has become the biggest threat to the Western world albeit by stealth. The Blame can be laid at the door of the grotesque BBC which has done all in its mighty power to undermine this country with of course the labour party as its running dogs.
  There is nothing much to look forward to as your scenario plays out as surely as it will .Unfortunately the British people will do what the British people alwyas do and sleep walk into this pending disaster
  - alfred5
    
    Not for the first time will Britain’s island status protect her from Europe’s folly ; If we had been , say, a peninsular like Denmark our goose would have been cooked many times over in the past
    Orwell didn’t get it quite right ..he predicted ”Big Brother ” where in reality it came about as ”Big Mother ” and the claustophobic Nanny State …where society is ruled by women and metrosexuals like a school yard because mother really does know best !….the all seeing CCTV has taken over the role of the eye of God
    - rogerrandout1
      
      We certainly are blessed to have the channel between us and the ‘hoards ‘ on the other side and it has saved us many times. .But with governments that we have today who are willing to ‘give’ this country away without a shot being fired it seems to have been all in vain! This sceptred Isle is under serious threat as it was in 1940
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  If you hate Europe that much…
  
  As you make up fantasy figures… as you call for blowing up the cargo ships, of course. As you try and hype up things like the grenade attack… the bomb is on your side.
  
  Thanks for warning people of your approach, mind!
George Smiley

That’s an absolutely appalling shirt Rod.
- Todd Unctious
  
  That is an appalling Rod shirt.
Count Spencer

“middle-class white people”
The labour party has always been run in the interests of that sort of Fabian Socialist, middle class traitor. You can evidence this with all the victim groups they have backed and then eventually betrayed .
Working class whites, betrayed with mass immigration and lax policing in poor areas. Women, betrayed through the cover up of rape, Rotherham’s etc or the encouraging of women to become slaves instead of mothers. Minorities from 60 and 70’s particularly afro Caribbean’s, betrayed by mass migration of Eastern Europeans who can easily out compete them.
As the Labour party becomes more Islamic, the LGBT victim community will be the next to be betrayed by the Labour party but will, I predict, be the final betrayal.
- red2black
  
  Odd how the White working class has always chosen to let other people run their affairs for them, rather than running things for themselves.
  - Count Spencer
    
    if they ran it for themselves it would probably be too nationalistic and patriotic for the aforementioned “middle class white people” to accept.
    - red2black
      
      I’m working class. The only working class people who successfully ran things for themselves on any real scale (in extremely difficult circumstances) were the Anarchists in 1930s Spain.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        You’re working class?
        
        And I bet some of your best friends are black too!
      - red2black
        
        Yes, I’m working class. There’s no need to start digging a hole for yourself.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        So you’re a miner?!
      - red2black
        
        Tee hee.
      - Todd Unctious
        
        The only time the buses ran on time in Barcelona was when the Anarchists ran the city.
      - red2black
        
        Only because there were no timetables. (tee hee)
- MikeF
  
  Very true and at a grassroots level I get the impression that increasing numbers of gays are recognising the fact – contrary to the Tunbridge Wells retried colonel cliche UKIP, for instance, is full of gays. A problem, though, is that at the public megaphone level the leading ‘gay’ organisations most obviously Stonewall seem to be firmly in the left-liberal denialist bloc along with the Labour Party. Something will have to give – either gay organisations will have to recognise where the real interests of gays lie or gays will have to recognise that the organisations that claim to represent their interests do no such thing.
logdon

I used to be a structuralist but now I know Foucault.
- Oedipus Rex
  
  I used to be into semiotics, but now I’m not Saussure
  - Sue Smith
    
    LOL
    - Dukeofplazatoro
      
      And the Ayatollah is a shi’ite
  - Todd Unctious
    
    I used to be a French shoe and now i’m not chausseur.
  - Toy Pupanbai
    
    I’m waiting for a sign!
- Toy Pupanbai
  
  Swings and round-a-bouts?
  - logdon
    
    Or perhaps in view of the provenance, balançoires et ronds-points?
logdon

We are famed for our tolerance. This has changed into a gross virtue signalling mele whereby he or she who shouts the loudest seemingly wins.

All of this puffed up chicanery is, of course backed by the BBC, academia and leftists.

They try to inform us that Britain has always been a country of immigration but stop there.

What they don’t say is that non of the previous incomers have, as an organised group attacked the host country’s customs and law, in fact the whole object was to fit in, get ahead and join in the general prosperity.

Not so with Islam where their unalterable book tells them that they are supreme and the kuffar is second class. In fact a dhimmi.

Here’s a snapshot of this in action.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/migrant-crisis-live-wire/
- Dominic Stockford
  
  In fact, to be honest, the Normans behaved pretty appallingly and took every opportunity to attack the customs and laws of the Saxons. However, that is probably the only time (the Romans brought law into lawlessness).
  - logdon
    
    They wiped out, by starvation quite a lot of Yorkshire.
  - Ipsedixit
    
    Do you think the Saxons should have retaliated?
- davidofkent
  
  The Vikings came to settle but made sure that the existing culture was given a thorough round of rape and pillage to make sure we learnt to love them and their Gods. The Romans were happy to let subservient tribes live in peace but got really annoyed and destructive with tribes that ‘voted’ against them and the slavery they so kindly offered. The Danes were most definitely settlers and didn’t think much of our religion and our desire to live peacefully with each other. So they massacred the people of large areas of England until we realised how culturally enriching they really were. Then they allowed us to keep the rest of the country outside of the Danelaw by payment of a bit of tribute, known locally as the Danegeld. And what was it that Kipling wrote? “Once you have paid the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.” I suppose at least Guthrum hedged his bets by becoming a Christian, sort of!
  
  In case you didn’t notice it, I rather disagree with your proposition in your paragraph 4.
  - logdon
    
    I was thinking of the post-Norman period.
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      Wot?
      
      Moorish white slavers?
      
      Or Rotherham groomers?!?!!!!
      - logdon
        
        Read my original comment.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Doublewot?!
        
        Before the “We are famed for our tolerance” one?!
      - logdon
        
        What are you on about?
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        “All of this puffed up chicanery is, of course backed by the BBC, academia and leftists.
        They try to inform us that Britain has always been a country of immigration but stop there.
        What they don’t say is that none of the previous incomers have, as an
        organised group attacked the host country’s customs and law, in fact the
        whole object was to fit in, get ahead and join in the general
        prosperity.”
        
        I replied:
        
        “Wot?
        Moorish white slavers?
        Or Rotherham groomers?!?!!!!”
        
        You responded:
        
        “Read my original comment.”
        
        To which I replied:
        
        “Doublewot?!
        Before the “We are famed for our tolerance” one?!”
        
        What are YOU on about?!
      - logdon
        
        Your obtuseness is clearly affect your cognition.
        
        ‘previous incomers’
        
        The Moors didn’t settle, they were raiders. Rotherham groomers are part of the current intake, not previous.
        
        I hope this makes things clear.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        OK, so technically an incomer settles (though no doubt some Moors were shipwrecked or otherwise left in Ireland and settled).
        
        And, yes, the groomers are part of the current intake (if by current you mean the second and third generation offspring of previous intakes).
        
        But, unfortunately for you, the Romans and the Normans were incomers and previous intakes, as others have mentioned.
        
        As were the Angles, Saxons, Danes………..
        
        So, would you care to list the previous incomers that, as an
        organised group, haven’t attacked the host country’s customs and law?
        
        Incidentally, if you’re thinking of the Hugenots, most were completely assimilated within a couple of generations or so.
        
        And while there are still a few descendants who know and perhaps still think of themselves as Hugenots: you wouldn’t know to look at them, their actions, lifestyle, or whatever.
        
        To all intents and purposes they are indigenous white British!
      - logdon
        
        Are you testing your all over the place argument to destruction?
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Yup.
        
        Seems to be holding extremely well so far!
  - Ipsedixit
    
    Yes and the indigenes were justified in using violence against them to protect their society, yes or no?
J.V. Marrum

I must say, the graffiti in other parts of the world at least have some thought to it. Here in Toronto, Canada I was always greeted to the sight in the early morn, a pair of ‘busty knockers’ spray painted on a wall just before my commuter train pulled into Toronto’s Union station.
Dominic Stockford

The real problem is that “the self-deluding idiocies of the liberals” hurt us, the ‘ordinary people’ who have the effrontery to have been born here, and they hurt the migrants, but the problems their desire to ‘bring ’em all in’ raise can be airily ignored by those who have become rich off our backs.
Mara

Rod Liddle
If you attack Denmark and Switzerland (and Germany by the way) for robbing refugees of their jewlery please get your facts right. According to the EU only halv of the so called refugees are really refugees which we have guessed all along. The others want a better life. Most of them are not without means since they could afford to come by ship. There have been cases where they came by plane. In Denmark anybody granted asylum and claiming benefits, free medical help, accomodation paid, language courses etc is not allowed (this goes for Danes as well) to have large amounts in the bank or own property or valuables.This is only fair as we have one of highest taxes – if not the highest in the World in order to provide very high benefits. It would not be fair on the taxpayers. At present refugees are allowed to keep 1000 Pounds and wedding rings, watches.
Foreign newspapers have attacked Denmark continuously the last few days. The Guardian even had a drawing with our Primeminister as Hitler. I am afraid the journalists dont even know the history of second World war and what jews really had to endure. It is not quite comparable to what Denmark is doing as the jews were killed by the Nazis. So the journalists have actually made fools of themselves. Denmark is an open country (not a foolish one like Sweden) and we take many refugees and have some of the highest benefits in the World.
- Kandanada
  
  They all deliberately confuse “refugee” and “migrant”.
  - Toy Pupanbai
    
    Economic migrant!
  - Todd Unctious
    
    Lucien Freud, refugee. Terry Wogan ,immigrant
    - Kandanada
      
      Refugee:
      In this instance, an individual from Syria who would usually be better looked after and protected in one of the refugee camps that have been set up near the Syrian border.
      
      Immigrant:
      In this instance, an individual, usually a young male, who wishes to enter the UK for economic (money) reasons.
- Terry Field
  
  Benefits ar paid by taxes, Daneman!!!!
- Mr B J Mann
  
  “In Denmark anybody granted asylum and claiming benefits, free medical help, accomodation paid, language courses etc is not allowed (this goes for Danes as well) to have large amounts in the bank or own property or valuables.This is only fair as we have one of highest taxes”
  
  Strangely, in the UK, too, anybody claiming benefits, free medical help, accommodation paid, language courses etc is not allowed to have large amounts in the bank or own property or valuables.
  
  But that only applies to hard working taxpayers!
  
  As a result, even most of those with jobs are worse off than those on benefits.
Lina R

In recent years I have lived in these increasingly gentrified parts of south-east London but the downside is that you are completely surrounded by middle-class socialists and their cossetted world view. When I have broached welfare or immigration with them (I don’t go there now) – they are outraged that there should even be a cap on either. Of course these two big issues have no impact on them – no one in their family lives a workless life dependent on the state and mass immigration will not drive down their wages or put pressure on their local school. Unfortunately our political class and media is made up of too many of these types and so it is increasingly this rarefied group which is calling the shots – much to the detriment of the masses. The result will be the rise of nationalist parties and it’s the illiberal elite who will be to blame.
- Todd Unctious
  
  No. That is wrong.
  - Sue Smith
    
    It’s actually absolutely correct.
  - WTF
    
    The left are both confused and hypocritical. If you ask them is there a link between mass immigration and a rise in nationalist parties & possibly a bit of vigilantism they’ll vehemently deny it but if asked in isolation has there been a rise in nationalist parties, they’ll say yes and blame it on peoples lack of compassion towards migrants.
    
    They really are a sorry ‘bunch’ of liars no different to the ‘bunch’ of liars at Calais who claim to be refugees !
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, more PC accusations, as you try and excuse your far right based on the Other, and as you frantically defend things like the hand grenade.
      
      You’re the liar here, as you try and pre-judge people without knowing their situation.
      - WTF
        
        Why debate it instead of being lazy and just calling me a liar !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, why not debate your PC.
        
        Or I could just condemn it as PC. Which saves everyone time.
      - Terry Field
        
        PILLS Wolfs.
        Take them NOW!!
        Nurse and the syringe are READY FOR YOU!!!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you want to poison me.
        So the NHS would then have to save me.
        
        You are a complete idiot.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        And you are a dribbling idiot, noeL nosefloW:
        
        How many times do you have to be told those drugs aren’t supposed to be snorted!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Keep talking to your other personalty.And you seem to have a obsession with drugs. It’s yours, entirely.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Those drugs you’ve been snorting seem to be giving you double vision as well as dribbling nostrils, noeL nosefloW!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m not doing your drugs, but keep describing your alternate personality and thus your issues.
- davidofkent
  
  Well that isn’t true of my part of South-East London. This is Conservative country – Jeremy keep out!
- Sue Smith
  
  You just need to watch this, and often. Share it with your friends. It will make you feel better; it worked for me!! I’ve had a huge laugh:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCis1U1nFR0
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah yes, blame anyone except yourself for your choices to be a political extremist.
  
  As you support breaking up families, no surprise there. Then you complain about the middle class and the socialists in your head…. you don’t go near those not like you, I understand, as you blame the Other for everything else, while wanting wages to fall sharply.
  
  Then you complain about a free media..
  - Terry Field
    
    NO
    Don’t break ’em up. Export them ALL in complete family groups.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah yes, export the British people who lose their jobs.
      Your plan, right there.
- Seatofmypants
  
  Agreed. My partner works in TV. I went to a party with her and her work colleagues and the guff they come out with (not my partner thankfully). Privileged backgrounds, left wing and none too experienced in life. Not one went to a state school but more importantly, from their talk, had no understanding of the problems, or it seemed sadly, interest in the traditional working classes problems/lives,
Kandanada

There has been no ongoing strategy here so it is pointless to pretend there was and then criticise it.

Immigrants were let in, even though EU countries may nowwish they hadn’t. Newcomers are now causing problems, these problems would have been “unknown unknowns” a few years ago. Now they are real and a reaction is required. If, for example, it is true about the assaults in the swimming pools, then there does need to be a logical and instant solution to protect the girls, and that solution would either involve some sort of temporary ban/isolation for men or some sort of temporary ban/isolation for newcomers. I prefer the latter, not out of malice for newcomers, but for fairness to the population at large.

As for wristbands, a mountain out of a molehill. Who cares, and if anybody does, cover it with your sleeve. This was always a non story and the silly thing is still being pushed mercilessly by a media that should better reflect people’s concerns across Europe.

It has all been a case of no one expected it and who’d of thought it and knee-jerk reactions from our glorious leaders, who have got us into a situation out of which there is no goodway.
Mongo

is it possible this is all a big misunderstanding and that graffiti is actually referring to Jeremy Clarkson?
- Todd Unctious
  
  Or Kyle. Or Vine. Or Irons.
  - Mongo
    
    or Hunt
  - Jacquie
    
    Paxman!
TheUnrecordedMan

This is the stupidest article Rod has written. The doors were painted red for other reasons, the reason they had to wear wristbands was an understandable one and natives can’t get welfare if they have too much money. The only bit I agreed with was ‘Don’t let them in’.
- Ned Costello
  
  Yes, he’s wrong, but it’s Rod Liddle FFS, cut him some slack. He’s often the best thing in most of mags or papers he writes for.
  - TheUnrecordedMan
    
    I agree, which is precisely why I was disappointed. If it had been some progressive lefty I wouldn’t have bothered commenting.
VSP

Why give this article air space. Obviously about graffiti that he may well have done himself, to bang on about. Carry on unknown sonny boy and write about the million graffiti slogans scrawled on all from toilets to trains. The simple answer to you bleeding heart liberals is that they are not allowed entry and they can use the foreign aid money to reconstruct something half decent in their own land. This guy is a nut case, no doubt.
Anthony John Allen

Don’t let them in was correct these are people with completely different values to our own, their religion is non-compatible with ours and they refuse to integrate, on top of that they are easily swayed to be supporters of the nasty side of Islam and cannot be trusted adding a security risk with their presence here. They bite the hand that feeds them and insult our women and female children, given hald the chance. I think we treat them very well, if we in their country in a similar position, we would receive no sympathy or support at all, indeed we would probably not even be safe in any way.
- Keith
  
  Your spot on,Britain the softest touch in Europe,do as Aussies do..
dramocles

My favourite was on the wall of a toilet cubicle in Churchill College Cambridge:

1632 – Rene Descartes: “To be is to do.”
1932 – J-P Sartre: “To do is to be.”
1965 – Sinatra: “Do-be-do-be-do.”

I’ll get my coat……..
- Jacquie
  
  No please stay, just love your humor dramocles.
- Barri Winstanley
  
  Brilliant… its the only thing I have had to laugh about in this country this year….
- David S
  
  Very good – comes across even better said out loud because of the near-rhymes. Keble college had the following by the lavatory light switch:
  
  A light to lighten the genitals…
WTF

Its the ultimate conflation by the left of merging the words migrant with refugee, there is no distinction in their feeble minds.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, more PC from you as you demand others share your views.
  - Terry Field
    
    Take the pills Wolfs, nurse is looking for you with the syringe. STOP HIDING
    You know you need her help.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So you want to poison me….and I’d need NHS help to recover from your plan to poison me, right.
Gary Fearon

The article is full of nonsense, one example of which is that it is the ‘nasty’ liberals arranged for the doors of asylum seekers to be painted red…or for them to be kitted out with wristbands. Journalism at its worst.
Malcolm Bridges

Block off the Channel Tunnel and let those who are determined to come here swim it!
- Jacquie
  
  Greatr idea, love it, Malcolm Bridges
- Todd Unctious
  
  Knucklehead.
Ned Costello

I enjoy your articles enormously Rod and I agree with most of this one, certainly the sentiments behind it. But you’ve got it wrong about the red doors (painted two decades ago) and the wrist-bands ( a perfeclty sensible means of insuring that only those entitled to be fed are fed- Holiday resorts use this same system). What sickened me about those two issues was the immediate and uncritical acceptance of these clearly nonsensical complaints from a number ungrateful, whining migrants, by the usual suspects on the bien-pensant Left.
- Nick
  
  Hello Ned.You took the words right out of my mouth as I was just about to post the same thing.
  
  Those red doors have been painted blue now.So I take it everything is alright now that the doors are blue? Maybe blue isn’t as racist looking as red?
  
  And when me and the missus went all inclusive (which we don’t usually do) to Cyprus a couple of years ago,there were no Nazis or concentration camps.
  
  Nobody threw stuff at or mistreated us.
  
  The pair of us got bladderd and didn’t think about the wrist band until we checked out.
  - WTF
    
    The way the usual suspects were whining could lead us to believe the ISIS flag below had been painted on the doors much like the Nazis painted the Star of David on Jewish owned properties in the 1930’s.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, you’re pining for the lost days when you could do that, in your collectivism.
- Ipsedixit
  
  I also enjoy his articles. Frankly I thought he was intending some kind of irony with this but try as I might I don’t get it. However, I still can’t believe he is serious.
Jaria1

But we do , if they cause problems they are or should be treated like people who misbehave
nibs

Please search out the following….Choudenhove-Galergi………. it will explain Angela Merkels reasoning behind her welcoming of refugees, apparently she received a prize for being of the same thinking and Coudenhove was of mixed race
adrian smith

What a totally pointless nerd written excuse for an article. I’ve seen better in The Beano!
- Ipsedixit
  
  My favourite character in the Beamo was a turban wearing bandit called Mustapha Phagg. They don’t write them like that any more.
  - Todd Unctious
    
    There was no comic called Beamo, was there?
    - Barri Winstanley
      
      Yes there was…. and its sister comic the Dandy… probably 40 years ago…
Jab

It seems complete nonsense to say the door painting was deliberate, the houses owned by a large landowner nearby are all colour beige I am so tired of all of this bleating of so called victims, the elephants are going to be extict in our lifetime and the press constantly write this sort of trivia to stir things up.This shows the decline of humanity is well underway.
raped_by_gay_dad_now_a_fag

This was on the sidebar right next to Cohen’s piece about Rhodes Must Fall not being “anti-racist” enough. The “liberals are the real racists!!” talking point has never worked anywhere, at any time, you dummies.
- David Stirling
  
  Hardly surprising that (((Cohen))), who iirc wrote a column for the Guardian saying that we should let all of the invaders into Europe, would make that point.
Alexandra S

No! If they’re training their kids to treat me, and my family like dirt, because of our religion, or lack thereof, then I’m going to treat them for what they are. Nothing!
- Travelgirl
  
  Don’t forget “gun happy”. At least we still have ours. Since the good ol US seems to be following the EU path to insanity they may get some use!
Alexandra S

Ron Riddle seems like an undercover Muslim. A plant to shame people into allowing Muslims into the country. These undercover people are everywhere. They plant false information all over the media, such as Youtube, and Facebook, and sadly people eat it up.
Think about it! 50 years ago most people loved America; they may not have loved everything it’s government stood for, but at least they found it’s people kind, and inviting. Now 50 years later, people have eaten up the false rumours that all Americans are stupid, fat, lazy, cruel, selfish, and hateful. Now if they can do it to them they can do it to you. Just stand idly by, and let the liberals shame you into keeping silent, like Ron Riddle.
- Travelgirl
  
  Don’t forget “gun-happy”. At least we still have ours. Since the good old US seems to be following the EU path to insanity they will probably get some use. Some of the residents in a small town in Michigan are not enjoying the 6 am call to prayer. It is too loud.
Mitzi

How long is it now for these ‘grateful immigrants’ before the demands start coming. Is it as soon as they settle, get their first house and benefits or are they simply demanding what they have been told they can get with a little persuasion from the right quarter.
WTF

I think the Douglas Murray article confirms 100% it was right to introduce means testing to migrants when its very apparent the majority are eco-migrants and not genuine refugees. What a sorry mess Merkel & Juncker have taken the EU to !

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/heres-a-fine-example-of-the-trouble-our-continent-is-descending-into/
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, so you think theft is right, as you say your hate is apparent, and as you hate democracy harder.
Barri Winstanley

”
If you’re stupid enough to let migrants in, at least treat them as people”… I suppose the mistake we made was we actually expected them to be just a little bit grateful and we also expected them to be able to behave, to follow the laws of our country, to respect our indigenous population.. Not a lot to ask for is it?
- Todd Unctious
  
  That immigrant Terry Wogan did okay. Also Joanna Lumley, Paddy Ashdown,Glyn Christian, Joseph Conrad, Edward deBono,Jacob Epstein, Richard E Grant, Nasser Hussain, Bob Holiness, Somerset Maugham, Freddie Mercury……..
  - Barri Winstanley
    
    Todd… you are suggestinng then that your list of “immigrants” didnt behave themselves in this country? I would suggest they most certainly did.
    
    They are the people who came here and worked, contributed, didnt just turn up and hold their hands out… There are hundreds if not thousands who are just waiting to crawl over to the UK and hold out their hands for whatever they can get…
  - Frank Marker
    
    Somerset Maugham was not an immigrant. He was born to an english lawyer who was attached to the British Embassy in Paris.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      He was born at the British Embassy in Paris.
      - Frank Marker
        
        I know! Sigh…
Ipsedixit

When they demolished the slum I was born in, they moved my parents into council house. It actually had a red door so it was obvious what class of people we were. I now realise how much this has blighted my life. There must be someone I can sue?
- WTF
  
  It won’t work unless you convert to Islam and then the compensation culture is your oyster for life !
Terry Field

‘If you are stupid enough to let them in.’
You said it.
Trump is correct; the insanity of present day Europe and Britain is measured by their lunatic reaction to him.
WTF

The Dummies Guide for understanding Lib-Speak !

Morality = Hate

Theft = Justice

Denier = Liberal

Migrants = Refugees

Welfare benefits = Entitlements

Realist = Right wing racist or bigot

Lying by omission = The real truth or fact

Reporting crime stats = A hate Crime

Liberal agitator = Community Organizer

Illegal residents = Undocumented immigrants

Suppression of debate on campus = Safe Space

Personal assets to be means tested = Stolen possessions

Indoctrination thru Information = Advocacy Journalism

Pedophilia = Inter generational Sexual activity or Child Marriage

Reverse racial discrimination = Affirmative action

Unacceptable ethnic practices but will ignore it = Responsible Neutrality

Western Jihadist who goes to Syria = Victim of non Islamic culture

Double Think = The ability to hold conflicting views simultaneously
- slyblade
  
  Excellent post
WTF

The Dummies Guide for understanding Lib-Speak !

Morality = Hate
Theft = Justice
Denier = Liberal
Migrants = Refugees
Welfare benefits = Entitlements
Realist = Right wing racist or bigot
Lying by omission = The real truth or fact
Reporting crime stats = A Hate Crime
Liberal agitator = Community Organizer
Illegal residents = Undocumented immigrants
Suppression of debate on campus = Safe Space
Personal assets to be means tested = Stolen possessions
Indoctrination thru Information = Advocacy Journalism
Pedophilia = Inter generational Sexual activity or Child Marriage
Reverse racial discrimination = Affirmative Action
Unacceptable ethnic practice = Responsible Neutrality
Western Jihadist who goes to Syria = Victim of Cultural Abuse
Holding conflicting views simultaneously = Double Think
Stage 1 of Radicalization = A Moderate
Stage 2 of Radicalization = An Active Moderate
Sexual grooming cover up = Community Relations
Honor Killing = Cultural Retention
Attacks on Christian women = Ethnic Diversity
Gang Rape = Multicultural Workshop
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah, the hate-speech guide to political correct hate.
  
  Full of justifications for crime not committed by your current targets, wanting those fleeing IS sent back to be shot, hate for democracy and freedom, demands that far right ideology have special rights, over and above other ideologies, etc.
  
  Orwell was right about your beliefs.
- Todd Unctious
  
  WTF=Utter gumby.
Bob Hunter

The issue is very simple, the UK is overcrowded and needs less people of any colour or religion,actually the world does, we should never have joined the EU, stay an island nation.
zhu jiang

my favourite pieces of graffiti are “Give to mental health or I’ll kill you” and “Roses are red violets are blue, I’m schizophrenic… and so am I”
scampy

Pakistan,Afghanistan,Bangladesh,Iraq,Sudan,Somalia etc.etc.are not in the EU so leaving will make no difference to importing this filth?
- cartimandua
  
  It will stop that source of migrants coming this way. How do you think we got so many from Somalia?
  - William Brown
    
    Scampy can’t grasp geography – did you expect more from a undersea dwelling crustacean?
- Todd Unctious
  
  Why do you say they are filth? Pakistanis and Somalis are not trustworthy as cultures, but filth?
Jacobi

We must understand migration.

EU immigration presents problems. But the real immigration problem for UK is non-EU immigration. The government is being very coy and Politically Correct about that.

In 2014, EU immigration was less than half of the total inflow. Non EU immigration was greater than half and the bulk of that circa 52% was from Muslim countries. (Migration Observatory 2015)

There is now a widespread fear of the extent of Islamic immigration into UK. The problem is not, at present, principally, an EU one. It is non-EU and the government is keeping very quiet about it.
- cartimandua
  
  Except that once allowed into the EU they can flow this way if they like.
  - Jacobi
    
    There is a solution to that. Internment and deportation. It will come, but maybe too late?
    - Johnny Foreigner
      
      It is already too late.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Osborne would never do that. It would cost too much. You would need a vast army of internment officers to round up , retain triage and deport say 1 million people. I reckon at least 100,000 officers would need recruiting ,training and premises . This would cost at least £7 billion a year.
mike_in_brum

The time is now mature to think about repatriating the millions of East and South Europeans who are infesting our country. Leave the EU? Yes. But it must be followed by a coherent policy of repatriation.
The_greyhound

On a wall in a Lancashire market town someone had proclaimed that “Roy and Jez are -” and because the graffitist did not want to be though ill educated or ill bred, had made sure to include the grocer’s apostrophe in “w@nker’s”.

Touching, really.
Steve F

I quite like some of your stuff, Rod, even if it does often get a bit silly. But this is just an awful piece, it looks like it was tossed off and posted in to pay some late bill, it is well below normal Spectator standards. You know full well that the wristband, red door and jewellery-robbing stories were complete nonsense – it is so insulting to us as readers for you to use these stories to score points in this way. It just comes across as a rather curious piece of virtue signalling on your own part ‘Look at me Rod Liddle, champion of immigrant rights, unlike those nasty Liberals’. You know full well that, in the main, Europeans treat immigrants very well indeed. Your railing against ‘the liberals’ is not without merit, but I’m afraid it is becoming a huge distracting chip on your shoulder and is clouding your judgement.
Steve Notso

I quite like some of your stuff, Rod, even if it does often get a bit silly. But this is just an awful piece, it looks like it was tossed off and posted in to pay some late bill, it is well below normal Spectator standards. You know full well that the wristband, red door and jewellery-robbing stories were complete nonsense – it is so insulting to us as readers for you to use these stories to score points in this way. It just comes across as a rather curious piece of virtue signalling on your own part ‘Look at me Rod Liddle, champion of immigrant rights, unlike those nasty Liberals’. You know full well that, in the main, Europeans treat immigrants very well indeed. Your railing against ‘the liberals’ is not without merit, but I’m afraid it is becoming a huge distracting chip on your shoulder and is clouding your judgement.
Paul

The correct thing to do is not let them in in the first place! We already have a Muslim population that is doubling every ten years meaning that we are sleepwalking into an islamic nightmare. Islam is spreading like a cancer through the UK and like cancer our politicians have no cure.
William Brown

Well below par, Rodney – The wrist-band and red door stories were so obviously, ahem, ‘re-told’ by the usual, useful idiots. I expect better from you, Rodders, but I suppose you’re allowed the occasional slip-up.
Suffolk boy

Has Rod been “got at”?
Innit Bruv

Talk about class envy….
To say that Mr. Piggy has a chip on the shoulder would be putting it midly.

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